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Title: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BossWannaBe on July 11, 2008, 12:06:03 pm
Dear Admins,

Let me first say that I really admire the efforts you guys put into running this site. I can only imagine the long hours it takes from your otherwise free time. It must truly be a labor of love for you. Thanks for doing it.

Now the “But”. I really think you have over-reacted to the “Off Topic” section posts. I just don’t see the big problem and I read a lot of it. Yes, there are members that just don’t know when to give it a rest, but is that reason enough to stop everyone from doing true “Off Topic” posting? Of course if something is truly obscene, profane, or racist it should not be tolerated, but that could happen in any of the forums. If people don’t like the way a thread is going, JUST DON’T READ IT! I don’t care about Cougars, T/A racing, or Boss 351’s, so I don’t read those forums, but I would never suggest that you get rid of them. I realize you are trying to offer a wide range of forums for people with different interests and I think the Off Topic section was a good part of that.

I come to this site almost every day (usually without logging in) and I read the Boss 302 General forum, then Cars for Sale, Parts for Sale, sometimes Events and then I read Off Topic. If I see an Off Topic thread degrading into a cat fight, I just move on to something else. It’s just not that big of a deal to me. I’m not sure why it is to you, but then, it’s not my site so maybe I’m missing something.

In the end, it is your site and you can run it the way you think is best. If you want it to be only for hard-core gear heads to only talk car stuff, so be it (and I’m not knocking those types, they are a great resource). But I really think you are making a big mistake. The “Off Topic” forum was a valuable feature. I think it makes it a much more inclusive and fun site when members can talk about Kiwi commercials, losing a loved family member, finding a snake, telling a joke, or even talking politics.

I realize this post violates your new policy and I apologize but I just wanted you to know my thoughts on your decision.

Thanks,
Wayne Thonis (BossWannaBe)
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: MD69Boss on July 11, 2008, 12:17:23 pm
I can see your point of view, Wayne, however, I think this is long overdue, probably unpopular, but definitely a good decision.
Randy and Jeff have diligently maintained this site for, what, over a decade now, and they cannot be expected to "babysit" this section of the
site forever.
You hit the nail on the head with the select few that continue their vitriol laced posts, and back and forth garbage in an attempt to belittle the other....well you get the idea.
Also, in the past year or two there have been numerous anti-latino rhetoric and pictures posted here that are nothing short of blatantly racist.  I don't want to see that garbage on unequivocally the best automotive site on the Internet.
So in short, I applaud and thank the admin team for a difficult yet courageous move, sure to be met with a fulll backlash.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BossWannaBe on July 11, 2008, 01:22:39 pm
...Randy and Jeff have diligently maintained this site for, what, over a decade now, and they cannot be expected to "babysit" this section of the site forever...

OK, would this be a solution?

Randy and/or Jeff,
Is it possible to create an administrator ID for just the Off Topic section? If so, I would be willing to try and police just that section for you guys to free you up for more Boss related things. If you would like to try this, send me an email and we can discuss how we might make it work so that Off Topic posts can resume.

Thanks,
Wayne
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: fajr22 on July 11, 2008, 01:22:59 pm
I can see your point of view, Wayne, however, I think this is long overdue, probably unpopular, but definitely a good decision.
Randy and Jeff have diligently maintained this site for, what, over a decade now, and they cannot be expected to "babysit" this section of the
site forever.
You hit the nail on the head with the select few that continue their vitriol laced posts, and back and forth garbage in an attempt to belittle the other....well you get the idea.
Also, in the past year or two there have been numerous anti-latino rhetoric and pictures posted here that are nothing short of blatantly racist.  I don't want to see that garbage on unequivocally the best automotive site on the Internet.So in short, I applaud and thank the admin team for a difficult yet courageous move, sure to be met with a fulll backlash.

Then A.. like Wayne Said don't read it, B.. Report it as the Little button down in the corner allows,  C..  Be an Adult and move  on..

So do you think this will continue to be the best forum on the internet if people can't talk speak or discuss anything other then automotive.... The answer is no, as most posts are off topic and thats what keeps people here answering BOSS questions... Most people arent working on their boss everyday of the week... But come to b/s in general and respond if someone needs help... Theres 100's of mustang sites that you can get info from But the uniqueness of this site keeps people here even if they aren't working on their Boss... Eliminating this feature Eliminates the reason to come on here everday to see whats new in the boss world..  If your only coming here for the Boss info, then don't bother reading off topic posts.. Otherwise this will be just a reference site.. Like 90% of the other sites on the internet... Nobody has to baby sit it, thats why its called off topic and we voted for discipline earlier this year!!!  How are you going to have backlash if you can't post non auto related subjects??   Any Ideas on the Automotive Advertisers to try and help for server costs? or donations ? Just curious It may be win win for everybody...



FRED ASHMORE
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 0F02G202911 on July 11, 2008, 02:06:15 pm
Wayne eloquently expresses my feelings on this subject. The Off-topic section is what gives this site its humanity. Without it the site is significantly diminished. I'm not sure why the policy needs to be no politics, no religion, no jokes, etc. Why can't it simply be no flaming?
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: KiwiBoss429 on July 11, 2008, 03:44:08 pm
Hi

I must admit I am a little concerned and disappointed about the recent decision to transform the "off topic" to Automotive off topic".
My reasons are simple, I enjoy communicating to my US friends on most matters, if its Kiwi Commercials, the weather Down Under, NZ's greatest Kiwi dies, or simply just Down Under "world" events. I find that the US (world) members "sometimes" enjoy this international contact, being car related or not.......I know I do.

Lets not forget this is an International web site....isn't it? If so its a great way to make international friend and COMMUNICATE as a group of like minded people.

An "off topic" admin person to police the topic postings is a good idea. As I totally understand their concerns about these topics getting out of control. But lets just delete them if reasons and policies allow.

Re-reading my "Kiwi Commercial" posting it has a discussion regarding race in the NZ rugby team, but its of a POSITIVE RESPECT nature, with a little tounge and cheek. I HOPE THIS WAS NOT THE RACIAL CONTENT MENTIONED? IF SO I APPOLIGISE AS THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION. Its not who I am!

Just my view on this "OFF TOPIC"

cheers
Gary
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Nitro on July 11, 2008, 05:02:05 pm
Gary, your posts about the Kiwi Commercials and the NZ Rugby were in no way at all racial....
When I saw the Rugby vid, it started me thinking...
Why did I not have my pit crew out on the starting line doing that same sort of intimidation to my competition HMMMM ???
Good stuff !!!
I also offer my time to police or be an admin. for the off topic section......
Just me.(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc277/Nitro429_2007/100_1021-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 6T9BOSS on July 11, 2008, 05:34:37 pm
I too was sad to hear the news. I am probably one of the ones Randy was talking about. However I rather enjoyed the debate as did others it seemed to me. It's your site and your way.

Like Fred and some others I enjoyed full spectrum of Off Topic , if a thread got crazy I just moved on.  To me the rest of the site was for reference or helping someone out with an answer. Lord knows I have asked and will ask more questions.

It is what it is....and I respect that.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: randy on July 11, 2008, 05:59:11 pm
I have been at this site when it was nothing more than a "bulletin board" and then gradually evolved (as did many other bulletin boards) to full on conversations laced with links, photos, etc.  In the beginning, the majority of the heated discussions centered about controversial issues surrounding the Boss (and other Fords).  Remember ALLL the drag pack debates?  At any rate, it has only been in the past few years that a lot of "garbage" has been introduced which, I believe, has contributed to the loss of many long-standing posters.  And let's face it - money is very tight these days and server space costs money like everything else.  As far as the suggestion of introducing "vendors and ads" - I used to be a big follower of the Vintage-Mustang.com forum until it went with vendors.  It is now so cluttered, it is hard to navigate through it without being bombarded by crappy ads....

I for one support 100 percent what Randy, Jeff, and the others have done.  I guess for those that have suggested "don't read the topic if you don't care too" also have the same option here - if you don't like the changes made to this site, move on.....

randy

p.s.  I daresay, this site will still be trucking along long after the disgruntled few can no longer post "internet b.s.".....

Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 1owner on July 11, 2008, 06:27:01 pm

p.s.  I daresay, this site will still be trucking along long after the disgruntled few can no longer post "internet b.s.".....


sure the site will continue but is the site "better" without those members? Im sure the frequency of those browsing the forum will go down without the chance for a spirited debate.
We have a LOT more in common than just our love for all things Boss, give us a chance to discuss them, here, where WE gather...
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: tiltbilt on July 11, 2008, 06:48:43 pm
As always - a very few ruin it for the majority. I simply just don't read the topics that get out of hand. I do love this site - I visit it daily.
I will be an active member either way.
Mark
Tiltbilt
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BossWannaBe on July 11, 2008, 07:14:46 pm

... And let's face it - money is very tight these days and server space costs money like everything else. ...


If that truly is an issue, why not delete the older Off Topic posts that haven't been active for a couple of years. There must be thousands of them. An Off Topic Administrator could be in charge of a task such as this.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BOSSJIM on July 11, 2008, 07:47:52 pm
. Punish everybody for two guys antics.
Frank

Sorry Frank, there were way more than 2, and most everyone knows that.



Jim
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 9F02G196848 on July 11, 2008, 08:04:35 pm
Some good thoughts and points here.

It has turned into a baby sitting effort at times. I will say, the profanity and obscene items have been kept down. The flaming needs to be attended to. Maybe we did over react, but sometimes that needs done to let everybody know what they had. It also gives input and ideas.

Jeff, is it possible to have an "OFF TOPICS" moderator that can only police that section? Not sure if our software allows it or not. Now, before everybody starts to volunteer to be the 'man', one step at a time and let us think about this.

Randy
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2008, 08:10:22 pm
. Punish everybody for two guys antics.
Frank

Sorry Frank, there were way more than 2, and most everyone knows that.



Jim
Who are they?
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BOSSJIM on July 11, 2008, 08:16:29 pm
. Punish everybody for two guys antics.
Frank

Sorry Frank, there were way more than 2, and most everyone knows that.



Jim
Who are they?

Well, should we go in alphabetical order? might take awhile for me to go into the archives and find your evidence. Past and present.




Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: KiwiBoss429 on July 11, 2008, 08:57:33 pm
Some good thoughts and points here.

It has turned into a baby sitting effort at times. I will say, the profanity and obscene items have been kept down. The flaming needs to be attended to. Maybe we did over react, but sometimes that needs done to let everybody know what they had. It also gives input and ideas.

Jeff, is it possible to have an "OFF TOPICS" moderator that can only police that section? Not sure if our software allows it or not. Now, before everybody starts to volunteer to be the 'man', one step at a time and let us think about this.

Randy

Thanks Randy for listening and reviewing this issue. I for one, hope the "off topic" remains as "OFF TOPIC".

As far as web sites go, this is my home  ;)

Cheers
Gary
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: les on July 12, 2008, 06:42:49 am
0644 hrs.breakfest club! i guess i'm to blame for a lot of non-boss issues,but truly my intentions were meant for boss family issues,and to remind boss owners to involve all family and friends in our boss for they are the future of our club,another subject i pushed was restore don't crush,there arn't many more out there so we need to save them,i no longer own a boss i gave mine to my daughter as a memorial to her daughter who would spend hrs.with me in the garage,now all i hear is the boss coming done the street(that unforgetable rumble)her and her nine year old are not letting it set in the garage,her boy is hooked,always pressuring her to go for a cruise(brodie,you want to go to the store with me,"only if we can take the boss!"also hereing about the life events of other members and there families,i consider you all good friends even if we disagree,i tried to take out some of the seriousness but to still maintain a softer less up tight boss site which i think is needed(enjoy your boss)i still don't care to go ice fishing!!   LT.LES  still smk.free,sex deprived but got my r.& r.   YOU AND YOURS PLSE.BE SAFE!
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: JoshBolger on July 12, 2008, 07:37:12 am
I agree that this action is very unforntunate for the entire Boss302 site. The "Off Topic" section was one of my favorite sections and usually my daily routine would start here and end here.

I do realize that several of the most recent topics in "Off Topics" were lively at least and heated at most however these items helped reveal (at least for me) several sides of many of today's most contraversial items of life here in the good ol' USA and beyond.

I have enjoyed learning from my friends here on this site, seeing the different prespectives, I feel has been enlightening and allowed me to think about subjects in tangental ways from my base. The exchange of ideas is fundemetal to the appeal of this site for me, and I'm sure for many more.

I think that rather than punish the entire site for the trangressions of a few (that may include myself), the administration of indiviual topics would be a better solution. I don't intend to dissappear from this site, however the limitation now in effect will most asuredly minimize my participation.

All of that said, I understand the reasoning, this is Randy & Jeff's "house" and we are all guests and the rules are set by the home owner.

Thanks for the opportunity and outlet that you have provided us all on your site.

Josh
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: bossnoc on July 12, 2008, 10:00:50 am
I agree with Kiwi - Gary... This part of the forum has been full of fun stuff like your Aussie commercials. I responded and I thought they were a blast. In fact, taught me a thing or two about their culture down under. The comment made were pure tongue and cheek and surely not meant to offend anyone.

Kevin
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: SSSupercobra on July 12, 2008, 10:43:27 am
Well,

I also enjoy the off topics posts and find myself looking at them as much as the rest of the forum.

I don't feel it is right to punish everyone for a few peoples mistakes.

We are all supposed to be adults here.

I think we should get another chance. Punt the law breakers and allow the others to enjoy this site to the fullest.

John
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: McKeever on July 12, 2008, 06:01:38 pm
"The Poll"....
I thought The Admin had taken a "Poll", and put the question to the members about banning members who become abusive.
As I recall the numbers showed a very high percentage of members agreed with the Admin, what happened to that "Poll"?
This seems an apporiate time to review it.
Thanks for being open minded, as always Thanks for all your effort!
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Nitro on July 12, 2008, 06:22:09 pm
Very good idea !!!
I also wish to see a poll about this and not just be dictated to.......
Yes, admin or who ever owns this site but what good is it if the members can not voice there veiws or ask questions that are not related to a Boss ??
Please do not mess with a good thing !
That goes for all, admin. and members alike....
Just me.

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc277/Nitro429_2007/100_1021-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Boss302Fan on July 12, 2008, 06:41:14 pm
I guess freedom of speech does not go here. Some of the topics were on the edge but I also think that most of us know that the comments made were pure tongue in cheek and not meant to offend anyone on the forum.

In my opinion, the appropiate way to handle it would be a few warnings, then if it continued, a boot off the forum.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BossWannaBe on July 13, 2008, 02:54:27 am
Let’s try and stay positive here and try to come up with solutions to make administration of the Off Topic forum less of a burden for the admins. It is a privately owned web site that belongs to Randy and Jeff and they can run it how ever they want. I think they are very generous to let pretty much anyone use the site and without charge. So complaining about being dictated to, or demanding free speech, doesn’t really apply because they are footing the bill. We are all free to run our own web sites if we want, then you can say what ever you want and no one can dictate rules to you. But you will have to run it and pay for it.

My point in starting this thread was NOT to start a gripe session. It was to express my opinion of how I thought the old Off Topic forum was a real asset to the site (at least for me). And to try and get the admins to reconsider their new policy. But if they feel that it is too much effort, and/or not enough benefit, to police the Off Topic part of the site, then so be it.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Mary on July 13, 2008, 07:25:28 am
Randy let me be the (woman)....and thanks for all of your time and trouble.

Mary
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 6T9BOSS on July 13, 2008, 07:26:34 am
I agree with BOSSwannaBe. Let's stay positive after all we are guests in their house.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Boss302Fan on July 13, 2008, 09:25:13 am
I agree.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 0F02G202911 on July 13, 2008, 01:18:37 pm
I agree with and support all of the positive things that have been said about this site and its originators/administrators. They continue to provide a wonderful service to the community in support of a worthy cause. It is in that spirit that I offer the following.

Another facet I'd like to put forth is that organizations, as they grow and evolve, tend to take on a life of their own. Yes, we are "guests in Randy and Jeff's home." But in a way that is like saying that the UAW is a guest inside the Ford Motor Company. The shareholders own the Ford Motor Company, but the workers have established certain rights and privileges within the organization.

I doubt that Randy and Jeff had any idea when they started the forum that the Off-topic area would have become what it has. It has become everything and more than what people have expressed in this thread. Friendships have been formed, and good things have come from this area. The Matt "Gonn67" Fire Fund is a great example of something that would never have happened if this were just a technical forum.

I unfortunately must say too, that I was dismayed by what, in my understanding, has happened to the off-topic section. I say it that way because I don't have all the facts. But it seems like we are all being punished because a thread or two got out of hand, or a couple of guys got into a pissing match. I think a PM or two to the offending parties would have been sufficient, assuming that did not happen behind the scenes. We are adults here and I feel like we are being punished like children.

As far as costs to keep the site going, I would be very happy to chip in. Perhaps a voluntary dues arrangement could be set up. Monthly or yearly financial statements could be posted, a PayPal account could be set up, and I am certain that the generous members of this forum would gladly and easily cover the expenses.

Again, I think this site has grown and evolved, and it would be healthy if the "management" could find a reasonable way to adapt to the changes.

With every good wish,

Gary Woodward
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Stonewall on July 13, 2008, 01:32:50 pm
Sample language from other forums:

Off Topic:  Anything not concerning [BOSS Mustangs/Cougars] posted here. Keep this area clean and civil. ** NO TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS HERE, PLEASE POST IN THE APPROPRIATE TECH FORUM **

Religion and Politics Forum:  Enter here at your own risk. These two topics are very sensitive and are rarely agreed upon by any two individuals. Please be responsible adults in here.


With the world as it is, elections upcoming, people facing challenges during current or pending retirement, and this being the main hang for many... a chorus of voices with varying opinion can be helpful.

I'm sure I contributed to this mess.  For that I apologize to this board.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: bboss on July 13, 2008, 02:38:11 pm
I agree 110%.  We have to be in their shoes in order to understand his or her decisions.  Do we remember when it was the last time that you or you friends donate anything to the registry?????  Randy and the gangs donate their time and money for this Registry.  So please be real!!!!  Just my two cents. 

PM
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: KiwiBoss429 on July 13, 2008, 03:02:05 pm
Hi

Instead of a yearly fee, how about a "donations" area, connected to Paypal? (for us International groupies).
(gezz I hope there is not one already as I have not seen it)  :-[

Gary
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: bboss on July 13, 2008, 04:26:01 pm
To those whom purchased items for Henry during the auction.  All of the proceed went to the Registry.  I and Randy said thank you very much.  Gary,  you can send a donation anytime to the Registry.  A check, money order, or cashier check.  I do not think Randy has anything like paypal.
Thanks,

PM
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BossWannaBe on July 13, 2008, 05:14:42 pm
Randy let me be the (woman)....and thanks for all of your time and trouble.

Mary

I hereby withdraw my candidacy for the position of “Off Topic Administrator” and throw my support to Mary. A woman’s oversight may be just what is needed to keep things under control. I’m not being sexist, just realistic.

All in favor of Mary signify by saying “Aye”.  LOL
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Nitro on July 13, 2008, 06:14:22 pm
AYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just me..

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc277/Nitro429_2007/100_1223.jpg)
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Mary on July 13, 2008, 06:19:36 pm
Thank you so much for your votes of confidence!!! LOL

Mary
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Nitro on July 13, 2008, 06:42:00 pm
I kind of like that members contribute to this site in some monetary way.
But if we were all to go that way, we need to be assured that we all have a say and a vote on any dissections made by thoughts in Admin.
I do not wish our site to go like, www.topalcohol.com is....
It is a super site but way too many ads..
Mind you there ads are not bad but just an annoyance...

Just me..
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: fajr22 on July 13, 2008, 07:03:00 pm
Most sites have Vendor Areas/forums... You do not necessarilly need banners, as far as Donations i listed that in a seperate post.. Donators should not have authority over the forum as it is a "DONATION" not a member fee... Lastly it humors me that many here start casting stones at a few  and say don't punish me BRO..or go someplace else because THEY don't like peoples post?? As far as the top of the alphabet, I am probably close to the top so I will put my name at the top of the list, BJ.. That will save you some research LOL.. The rest of you need to man up as you are not all innocent bystanders...  The finger pointing needs to stop and a solution found.. Its easy to sit here and blame people (when most have been participants)but as I said and posted ealrier, that poll we took was suppose to remedy this issue...  I don't see the problem with a debate, and if somebody doesn't want to participate then why does everyone else have to stop?? Some say you will not see a decline, but if theres no other reason to come here then to get car info, then whats the attraction to keep coming on everyday... Thats why i suggested the advertiser to give discounts and raise money and leave the off topic as an attraction..  I would say let the O-Topic forum go until you get a report to the moderator and go from there. No reason to babysit an opinion??

FRED ASHMORE
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BOSSJIM on July 13, 2008, 09:40:09 pm
Most sites have Vendor Areas/forums... You do not necessarilly need banners, as far as Donations i listed that in a seperate post.. Donators should not have authority over the forum as it is a "DONATION" not a member fee... Lastly it humors me that many here start casting stones at a few  and say don't punish me BRO..or go someplace else because THEY don't like peoples post?? As far as the top of the alphabet, I am probably close to the top so I will put my name at the top of the list, BJ.. That will save you some research LOL.. The rest of you need to man up as you are not all innocent bystanders...  The finger pointing needs to stop and a solution found.. Its easy to sit here and blame people (when most have been participants)but as I said and posted ealrier, that poll we took was suppose to remedy this issue...  I don't see the problem with a debate, and if somebody doesn't want to participate then why does everyone else have to stop?? Some say you will not see a decline, but if theres no other reason to come here then to get car info, then whats the attraction to keep coming on everyday... Thats why i suggested the advertiser to give discounts and raise money and leave the off topic as an attraction..  I would say let the O-Topic forum go until you get a report to the moderator and go from there. No reason to babysit an opinion??

FRED ASHMORE

qft

quote for truth..=QFT

Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: C5HM on July 14, 2008, 06:36:01 am
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As an example of the basis for the moderators' action: Res ipsa loquitur
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BOSSJIM on July 14, 2008, 01:54:39 pm
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As an example of the basis for the moderators' action: Res ipsa loquitur
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Mathew 7:1
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: JoshBolger on July 14, 2008, 03:25:17 pm
Where's my lexicon?
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: C5HM on July 14, 2008, 06:07:56 pm
Where's my lexicon?

Josh, I am sure that the next thing we'll hear from the resident troll is that the "stfu" thing that he is so fond of really means "Sure That's Funny, Uh-huh"

Quote For The Truth. NOT

And sadly, as a result, I don't think that Randy and the moderators had any other choice.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BOSSJIM on July 14, 2008, 08:44:52 pm
Where's my lexicon?

Josh, I am sure that the next thing we'll hear from the resident troll is that the "stfu" thing that he is so fond of really means "Sure That's Funny, Uh-huh"

Quote For The Truth. NOT

And sadly, as a result, I don't think that Randy and the moderators had any other choice.

Always good to see a 'professional' such as yourself help out in trying to keeping it civil in here by namecalling.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 69boss on July 15, 2008, 01:28:42 am
If you children would ever like to have our sandbox reopened to the public, I would strongly suggest that some of you use your brains before using your fingers...

This thread is a great example of why we can't just debate politics and religion without it turning into a cluster you-know-what.

Lighten up, fellas.

Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: C5HM on July 15, 2008, 06:59:24 am
If you children would ever like to have our sandbox reopened to the public, I would strongly suggest that some of you use your brains before using your fingers...

This thread is a great example of why we can't just debate politics and religion without it turning into a cluster you-know-what.

Lighten up, fellas.



"69": puerile abbreviations for profanity and vulgarity are (and long have been) part of the problem that the administrators are trying to deal with. The use of those abbreviations is just one of the manifold unendearing tactics of the principal reason for the change in policies in this particular forum.

Recognizing that fact and pointing out that the usual suspect is still "at it" is simple reality rather than childishness. So you might re-think using the plural rather than the singular (and accurate) form of the word "children" in your post.

As mentioned, in light of long past history, I don't think that Randy and the other administrators had (or will have in the future) any other options.

I have enjoyed reading most of the off topic posts in this forum over the years. Especially the threads dealing with politics.  Stonewall's posts are usually right on point. Josh's too, actually. Fred has made interesting contributions,too. And so too have many, many others. Even the occasional far left of the spectrum posts have been interesting (if misguided--sorry, my bad).

That said, (and sadly) there is it seems to me to be but one common problem/irritant/poster that hangs out here. His posts invariably devolve into name calling, profanity and insults (and that ,also invariably, rubs off on folks who choose to respond to him). Ignoring that fact in favor of generally lamenting the changes in the forum is kind of like trying to ignore a 900 pound gorilla standing in the corner of a room. 

And that misses the point.

And that point is, as was so aptly made plain by that individual's "qft" response to Fred's recent post, the moderators' decision was the correct one.

More's-the-pity.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 69boss on July 15, 2008, 10:12:16 am
C5HM:

Point taken.  My previous post was certainly made out of some frustration.  However, one cannot negate the fact that some posts have have been made like "children" posting comments on a MySpace page or hiding behind a veil of anonymity in an EZBoard chatroom full of strangers.

The frustration comes from the fact that the off-topic board can serve several purposes, and yet it has been hijacked and now (at least for the time being) shut down.

Some of the things the page has done in the past:


Given us a place to escape or blow off a little steam:

 -  Joke threads
 -  Reasonable discussions about the economy
 -  Reasonable discussions about politics
 -  Funny stories
 -  Hot dog eating contests
 -  Lightning strikes
 -  Coyotes vs. Cats
 -  George Carlin
 -  And of course, Les's breakfast club!

Given us a place to show the goodness in all of us as human beings:


 -  The Matt Grill Fire Fund (I was the administrator)
 -  A place to keep up with fires, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes affecting our BOSS family members
 -  Tour de Cure for Diabetes
 -  A place to post messages about friends/family who have passed
 -  A place to announce the births of new BABY BOSS family members
 -  A place to share info about friends and family who are ill, and overcoming adversity
 
Under the current policy, there can be no more of the above here.

The BOSS Registry is my place to come for an escape during the work day.  That and Yahoo News.  There's only so much that can be said about carburetors, wheels, piston skirts and oil coolers (drag packs). 

And on that note, was what was going on in the off-topic board any worse than the Drag-Pack discussion?  I don't think so.  Incivility should not be tolerated just because we're talking about oil coolers and gears, and then not allowed when we're talking about politics and economic issues.

Incivility should not be tolerated PERIOD.

I submit to everyone that the off-topic board has done far more good than bad.  It should be restored, with a policy in place that those who engage in the kind of conduct that brought us to this point will be suspended or banned for continued unacceptable behavior.

And as always, a million thanks to Randy Ream et. al who have made this board possible, and who I know are doing the best they can under the circumstances.

I also cast a vote for some sort of revenue stream for the board.  A PayPal donation site would be great.  If the Board were to run a surplus, monies can always be used for good purposes -- buying the next BOSS BBQ PIT or VIN tag and title, helping out the next Board Member in need, or to just make the BOSS 302 Registry the biggest, baddest, and best car website on the internet.

I know that two cents doesn't buy what it used to, but that's my $.02 on this issue.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BossWannaBe on July 15, 2008, 10:35:00 am
C5HM and 69boss,

You have both hit the bull’s-eye.
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BOSSJIM on July 15, 2008, 02:05:31 pm
If you children would ever like to have our sandbox reopened to the public, I would strongly suggest that some of you use your brains before using your fingers...

This thread is a great example of why we can't just debate politics and religion without it turning into a cluster you-know-what.

Lighten up, fellas.



"69": pureile abbreviations for profanity and vulgarity are (and long have been) part of the problem that the administrators are trying to deal with. The use of those abbreviations is just one of the manifold unendearing tactics of the principal reason for the change in policies in this particular forum.

Recognizing that fact and pointing out that the usual suspect is still "at it" is simple reality rather than childishness. So you might re-think using the plural rather than the singular (and accurate) form of the word "children" in your post.

As mentioned, in light of long past history, I don't think that Randy and the other administrators had (or will have in the future) any other options.

I have enjoyed reading most of the off topic posts in this forum over the years. Especially the threads dealing with politics.  Stonewall's post are usually right on point. Josh's too, actually. Fred has made interesting contributions,too. And so too have many, many others. Even the occasional far left of the spectrum posts have been interesting (if misguided--sorry, my bad).

That said, (and sadly) there is it seems to me to be but one common problem/irritant/poster that hangs out here. His posts invariably devolve into name calling, profanity and insults (and that ,also invariably, rubs off on folks who choose to respond to him). Ignoring that fact in favor of generally lamenting the changes in the forum is kind of like trying to ignore a 900 pound gorilla standing in the corner of a room. 

And that misses the point.

And that point is, as was so aptly made plain by that individual's "qft" response to Fred's recent post, the moderators' decision was the correct one.

More's-the-pity.

Basically an opinion WITH NO BASIS IN FACT.

Pointing fingers has its shortcomings, and you know that little ditty about one finger pointing and 4 pointing at you?

So far, you have been the one violating the TOS rules in this thread. Go figure, and yet you behave as some kind of God in here. Why is that?


As an example. During the Drag Pack BS, i kept demanding an invoice. Simple request, and to me, this would be the end all, be all, and holy grail, and yet, my simple, and mature request was met with namecalling, smarmy pics meant to represent myself in a bad light, (along with many others, and one senior member who has  since decided to point fingers) (how quick we forget) i had one guy say he was glad my motor 'went south' during the cam break in over this... How nice, etc etc.. and it never let up. The moderators did nothing, all the while i tried to keep my end civil. And all these comments and hatred were all because i kept asking for an invoice, and were from people who claim to be PROFESSIONAL? ha!

Now, as to my political viewpoints. I will never apologize for my political leanings, and BECAUSE i don't march to Stonewall, and c5hm, and others in here on their political and religious viewpoints, it has somehow been made out that i am the trouble maker? HA!..nice try, but it don't fly, and is rather disturbing that people in here need a scapegoat to absolve themselves, because they have this perception that they are 'better' then everyone else?.

I recall a thread a few years ago, and i don't recall who started it, but it had to do with the current group of posters in here at the time, and it related to whether we were a bunch of stuck up and pompous car owners, and the fact a certain group would act as though you shouldn't be in here if you asked dumb questions or didn't have some kind of elite pedigree. Well, i believe this attitude alienated a lot of guys, and these people don't come here anymore because of the stuck up mentality. To be sure, this is a rich mans hobby, and i'm far from being rich, but i do own a BOSS 302, my 2nd, and know quite a lot about these cars, and i'm still willing to share my knowledge on them whenever i can.

I believe respecting ones opinion on issues is something that goes by the way side by certain people in here for reasons i have stated. Who was it who told me to put a sock in it over me being a Ron Paul Patriot? etc etc...and an indirect threat as well.

I'm not one to back away from someone who wants to take exception to my opinions, but i believe if drawing 'first blood' is something someone wants to do, then so be it, but you have to understand everyone's opinion is THEIR opinion, and should either be met with civil language, or just ignore. There is no middle ground, especially when this is not your web site.

So now we have a noobie coming in here making a case for abbreviations, as though this were some kind of indictment? get real.
 







Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: fajr22 on July 15, 2008, 03:28:19 pm
Since the off topics lock down 4 days have gone by... there have been 9 new topics since the 11th, 4 of which are related to the lock down receiving 54 posts This making 55.... the other 5 new topics since the 11th have generated 7 responses...  Other responses were to 5 previous topics were staggering at 20,  3 of which of those topics were razed by the simple diallect "Sweet" or "I am sorry to here that"..... So since there supposedly won't see a decline then why are 55 of the 82 responses addressing the off topic issue and not automotive??  Where will this be at in a few weeks???  Something should be fixed and fixed soon before the whole site becomes any more infected then it already is!!!  Its harder to get people back then it is to keep them here... I will take any blame in which anyone wishes to place on me but, don't throw rocks at me if you are suspect to living in a glass house... 

FRED ASHMORE
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 1owner on July 15, 2008, 06:46:18 pm
BJ,
I thought that you posted that you would "ban yourself" but now I can find the post.  Did you get cold feet and remove it?
Now, back on topic..
I'm all for free discussion and all of that  but there has to be rules.  Someone has to enforce the rules WITH escalating penalties.  Aftewr the first couple of temporary vacations, Im sure even the most "diamond headed" of us will conform to the forum decorum (crime of rhyme??!!).

Someone just has to be bestowed with the ban stick......
Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: BOSSJIM on July 15, 2008, 06:56:55 pm
BJ,
I thought that you posted that you would "ban yourself" but now I can find the post.  Did you get cold feet and remove it?
Now, back on topic..
I'm all for free discussion and all of that  but there has to be rules.  Someone has to enforce the rules WITH escalating penalties.  Aftewr the first couple of temporary vacations, Im sure even the most "diamond headed" of us will conform to the forum decorum (crime of rhyme??!!).

Someone just has to be bestowed with the ban stick......

I agree, but the finger pointing has to stop. As to banning myself? i decided to hang out instead. Why not? i'm just as worthy to be in here as you and everybody else.

Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: 9F02G196848 on July 15, 2008, 07:55:19 pm
If all this would stop, we may fix it. We're working on something now, unless you guys prove to us that we shouldn't.

Title: Re: Very unfortunate decision
Post by: Nitro on July 15, 2008, 08:07:52 pm
Ok, what do we to do ????

Just me.