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Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« on: February 17, 2010, 08:11:28 am »
Hope nobody here is bidding on this. Hole where primary wire enters is in wrong location and the area around the stamped numbers has been altered,as the vacuum advance numbers have been ground down/restamped w/ X12. Heads up.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-69-70-1970-Mustang-Boss-302-distributor-RESTORED_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1038e695QQitemZ120531248789QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories here is a "refresher course" on spotting a fake. 
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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2010, 12:42:10 pm »
OMG, you can still see the old numbers stamped in the housing. :o

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 02:51:21 pm »
10w30dna,

Could we use that picture or perhaps some other shots you have to use in our next printed Registry book? You, if you want, will be credited with such pics and or info.

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 10:51:00 pm »
pretty ballzzee. Its bid up to over $800! Nice catch Tim.
By the way, I've got the distributor you restored for me in the car - fired right up and she winds to 7k with those old-school points and vacuum advance. Nice work!
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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 12:58:16 am »
10W30, 

Thanks for looking out for us.  This ebay seller has no qualms ripping people off with his fakes. I hope his bad reputation is beginning to precede him.
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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 04:19:16 pm »
Thanks Tim for helping to protect the hobbyist.
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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 04:27:04 pm »
Ebay should pull that auction. There used to be a report this item link at the bottom of the auction page, but I see they have removed it.
 I saw this the other day and thought it looked suspicious. You can clearly see the X12 area on the vacuum advance has been whizzed and re stamped.

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 04:39:04 pm »
Ebay has been notified about this seller many times. They claim legal action is coming. Meanwhile he is also selling a fake '70 428 CJ 4 speed distributor with same faults. A while back he had a fake fuel pump listed with the numbers stamped over. The only recourse Ebay offers at this time is if BUYER complains they will get the money back! So, if I rob a bank and get caught all I have to is give the money back? I thought crime was handled differently.....

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 04:11:50 pm »
Just to show you how crooked this guy is I am adding his latest fraud. I gave up reporting this guy to Ebay,they just don't  care about crime on their site.Can you spot the BIG, OBVIOUS fault with THIS listing? And the worst part is he states it's NOT a re-stamp!!!!! This should put him in jail for sure! Look it over closely and it should hit you like a brick...http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MUSTANG-PARTS-1969-BOSS-302-DUAL-POINT-DISTRIBUTOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20af9a9748QQitemZ140385097544QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 04:33:26 pm »
what gets me is theres a couple of sellers on ebay that always seem to find all these rare parts. ( ok faked ,fauxed, cloned, copied ,phony rare parts , what ever we should call them) but theres still people ( to be nice and not call them dumb or ingormant) that still buy from these people , this just amazes me. 
one thing that pops out to me on theblue distributoer is it  says FoMoCo i am not sure when ford switched over to using autolite on their distributer but i am thinking atleast a couple years before the boss 302 came out.
some one correct me if i am wrong here?
wouldnt all boss 302 distributors be autolites?

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 05:15:28 pm »
Hey come on, he's got 100% feed back on 790 sales!

Thank God I'm doing a restomod, if I purchased a few fake parts it would make me quit the project.

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2010, 06:23:16 pm »
1971 rcode you win the contest for spotting the big clue of being a fake! Not a chance they ever made a FoMoCo housing Boss 302 distributor. Pure fraud.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2010, 07:51:55 pm »
10w30dna,

Could we use that picture or perhaps some other shots you have to use in our next printed Registry book? You, if you want, will be credited with such pics and or info.

Email me at BOSS302Reg@aol.com or post here.

Randy

 I think we should also include repop VIN tags, shakers, fenders, hoods, floors, quarters, doors, carpet, seat covers, door glass, tires, wheels etc. ;D ;D ;D At least a distributor is only a five minute change. Don't mistake my reply, I dislike anything reproduction!

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2010, 08:42:18 pm »
10w30dna,

Could we use that picture or perhaps some other shots you have to use in our next printed Registry book? You, if you want, will be credited with such pics and or info.

Email me at BOSS302Reg@aol.com or post here.

Randy
I think we should also include repop VIN tags, shakers, fenders, hoods, floors, quarters, doors, carpet, seat covers, door glass, tires, wheels etc. ;D ;D ;D At least a distributor is only a five minute change. Don't mistake my reply, I dislike anything reproduction!
The issue is not reproduction parts, the issue is fraudulently listing parts as originals when they are not. There is no issue or concern with reproduction parts sold as such. Hawkrod
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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2010, 09:58:14 pm »
 I understand Hawk, but why limit the Boss police to distributors? Carbs, shaker bases, heat shields and snorkels, exhaust manifolds, Smog, Autolite shocks fall into same catagory and most are more valuable than a distributor. A distributor is a simple bolt on part that is easily changed. Seems like someone has an agenda on distributors? I can think of more important things to ID in the Boss 302 registry than how to spot a fake distributor? For example: how to ID Ford's four versions of Boss 302 valve covers and three versions of BOSS 302 stickers used on the valve covers? I get bored seeing distributor warnings on every concours forum.

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 05:33:11 am »
I agree there are more important things to ID than distributors........  no sense stopping with a convienence store robbery, let's get all them crooks! Let's see those other items you mention and learn about them.. Thanks!  Glad you are willing to help out.

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 09:00:43 am »
I understand Hawk, but why limit the Boss police to distributors? Carbs, shaker bases, heat shields and snorkels, exhaust manifolds, Smog, Autolite shocks fall into same catagory and most are more valuable than a distributor. A distributor is a simple bolt on part that is easily changed. Seems like someone has an agenda on distributors? I can think of more important things to ID in the Boss 302 registry than how to spot a fake distributor? For example: how to ID Ford's four versions of Boss 302 valve covers and three versions of BOSS 302 stickers used on the valve covers? I get bored seeing distributor warnings on every concours forum.
I agree if you are talking about fakes meant to defraud people. I have not seen carbs, air cleaners, heat shields etc... marketed that way by the manufacturer. There are people taking the repro's and trying to pass them off as originals but we post those when they happen as well. The problem here is a couple of guys specifically committing fraud with intent. The issue has nothing to do with repro parts marketed as such, it is the guys selling stuff as something that it is not. As to your other point, if you want to do it then go for it but don't blast people because they stepped up and you did not. Sorry your bored, maybe you need a new hobby because I am sure I will continue posting about fake air cleaners and snorkels every time I see one and I am also sure that other memebers will keep posting about fake distributors when they see them. As far as valve covers go, why not just step up and offer to add to the valve cover ID page? http://www.boss302.com/vcover.htm Hawkrod
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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 11:01:10 am »
I understand Hawk, but why limit the Boss police to distributors? Carbs, shaker bases, heat shields and snorkels, exhaust manifolds, Smog, Autolite shocks fall into same catagory and most are more valuable than a distributor. A distributor is a simple bolt on part that is easily changed. Seems like someone has an agenda on distributors? I can think of more important things to ID in the Boss 302 registry than how to spot a fake distributor? For example: how to ID Ford's four versions of Boss 302 valve covers and three versions of BOSS 302 stickers used on the valve covers? I get bored seeing distributor warnings on every concours forum.
 
I agree if you are talking about fakes meant to defraud people. I have not seen carbs, air cleaners, heat shields etc... marketed that way by the manufacturer. There are people taking the repro's and trying to pass them off as originals but we post those when they happen as well. The problem here is a couple of guys specifically committing fraud with intent. Sorry your bored, maybe you need a new hobby' Hawkrod


 Hawk you need to take your head outa the sand. Is the guy who makes the Boss 302 shaker base and exhaust manifolds honest when he indictes he found 6 of them at the Columbus swap meet every two weeks? Nearly every vender who sells jippo Boss 302 smog , brackets , pulleys etc. fails to mention its a repop in a cleaver manor. You have to waterboard them to get them to spit out that dirty word REPRODUCTION. You know as well as I we could cover this web page exposing fraudulent ads misrepresenting Boss Cars, Parts & Services advertised on the Web, numerous on this site alone. Hawk, I don't consider posting on internet chat sites a hobby as you apparrently do, it's the repetitive worthless info bores me! I also believe most of the readers on this site are much more informed than you give them credit.

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Re: Another phony baloney distributor BEWARE!
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2010, 11:03:18 am »
We need a section for sellers that knowingly sell fakes.  This could include sellers that knowingly try and pass off repops as originals.  There is nothing wrong with repops, just be honest.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2010, 11:17:45 am »
Hope nobody here is bidding on this. Hole where primary wire enters is in wrong location and the area around the stamped numbers has been altered,as the vacuum advance numbers have been ground down/restamped w/ X12. Heads up.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-69-70-1970-Mustang-Boss-302-distributor-RESTORED_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1038e695QQitemZ120531248789QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories here is a "refresher course" on spotting a fake. 
Do you offer a rebuilding service? I would like to have my 428 CJ dist. rebuilt, and calibrated. (as in spun, and advance springs, Vac set etc. not just cosmetic).
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2010, 11:47:12 am »
I understand Hawk, but why limit the Boss police to distributors? Carbs, shaker bases, heat shields and snorkels, exhaust manifolds, Smog, Autolite shocks fall into same catagory and most are more valuable than a distributor. A distributor is a simple bolt on part that is easily changed. Seems like someone has an agenda on distributors? I can think of more important things to ID in the Boss 302 registry than how to spot a fake distributor? For example: how to ID Ford's four versions of Boss 302 valve covers and three versions of BOSS 302 stickers used on the valve covers? I get bored seeing distributor warnings on every concours forum.
 
I agree if you are talking about fakes meant to defraud people. I have not seen carbs, air cleaners, heat shields etc... marketed that way by the manufacturer. There are people taking the repro's and trying to pass them off as originals but we post those when they happen as well. The problem here is a couple of guys specifically committing fraud with intent. Sorry your bored, maybe you need a new hobby' Hawkrod


 Hawk you need to take your head outa the sand. Is the guy who makes the Boss 302 shaker base and exhaust manifolds honest when he indictes he found 6 of them at the Columbus swap meet every two weeks? Nearly every vender who sells jippo Boss 302 smog , brackets , pulleys etc. fails to mention its a repop in a cleaver manor. You have to waterboard them to get them to spit out that dirty word REPRODUCTION. You know as well as I we could cover this web page exposing fraudulent ads misrepresenting Boss Cars, Parts & Services advertised on the Web, numerous on this site alone. Hawk, I don't consider posting on internet chat sites a hobby as you apparrently do, it's the repetitive worthless info bores me! I also believe most of the readers on this site are much more informed than you give them credit.
Sorry, I guess it is you who needs to take his head out of the sand. These posts have helped a lot of members here who were bidding on fakes and had already bought fakes so we know it helps and that has already been proven. The fact that you do not need the heads up is apparent but there are others who do need the help. The fact that you are so against helping people with less knowledge causes me to wonder, are you one of the guys selling fakes as the real deal? Why else would you be so annoyed? You are not forced to read these threads or be involved in them in any way. The thread title was plain and clear so it was not as if you were mislead into opening the post. You had to open the post because you were interested, is it a vested interest? The only reason I can possibly imagine you would complain about it is you are trying to stop people from warning others. It really looks rather odd now that I think more on your posts and your motives certainly now have me concerned. Hawkrod
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2010, 11:51:58 am »
These posts have helped a lot of members here who were bidding on fakes and had already bought fakes so we know it helps and that has already been proven.

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2010, 12:28:26 pm »
I understand Hawk, but why limit the Boss police to distributors? Carbs, shaker bases, heat shields and snorkels, exhaust manifolds, Smog, Autolite shocks fall into same catagory and most are more valuable than a distributor. A distributor is a simple bolt on part that is easily changed. Seems like someone has an agenda on distributors? I can think of more important things to ID in the Boss 302 registry than how to spot a fake distributor? For example: how to ID Ford's four versions of Boss 302 valve covers and three versions of BOSS 302 stickers used on the valve covers? I get bored seeing distributor warnings on every concours forum.
 
I agree if you are talking about fakes meant to defraud people. I have not seen carbs, air cleaners, heat shields etc... marketed that way by the manufacturer. There are people taking the repro's and trying to pass them off as originals but we post those when they happen as well. The problem here is a couple of guys specifically committing fraud with intent. Sorry your bored, maybe you need a new hobby' Hawkrod


 Hawk you need to take your head outa the sand. Is the guy who makes the Boss 302 shaker base and exhaust manifolds honest when he indictes he found 6 of them at the Columbus swap meet every two weeks? Nearly every vender who sells jippo Boss 302 smog , brackets , pulleys etc. fails to mention its a repop in a cleaver manor. You have to waterboard them to get them to spit out that dirty word REPRODUCTION. You know as well as I we could cover this web page exposing fraudulent ads misrepresenting Boss Cars, Parts & Services advertised on the Web, numerous on this site alone. Hawk, I don't consider posting on internet chat sites a hobby as you apparrently do, it's the repetitive worthless info bores me! I also believe most of the readers on this site are much more informed than you give them credit.
Sorry, I guess it is you who needs to take his head out of the sand. These posts have helped a lot of members here who were bidding on fakes and had already bought fakes so we know it helps and that has already been proven. The fact that you do not need the heads up is apparent but there are others who do need the help. The fact that you are so against helping people with less knowledge causes me to wonder, are you one of the guys selling fakes as the real deal? Why else would you be so annoyed? You are not forced to read these threads or be involved in them in any way. The thread title was plain and clear so it was not as if you were mislead into opening the post. You had to open the post because you were interested, is it a vested interest? The only reason I can possibly imagine you would complain about it is you are trying to stop people from warning others. It really looks rather odd now that I think more on your posts and your motives certainly now have me concerned. Hawkrod

  G-Rod ;D ;D , Apparently your dumber than I thought if you think I "hawk" jippo crap. I believe that is your claim to fame. You need to reread the post G-Man.How many counterfit air cleaner parts have you supplied to the jippo venders? You stated you were not aware of manufactures who misrepresenet their jippo parts. BULL $#!+!

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2010, 03:03:02 pm »


  G-Rod ;D ;D , Apparently your dumber than I thought if you think I "hawk" jippo crap. I believe that is your claim to fame. You need to reread the post G-Man.How many counterfit air cleaner parts have you supplied to the jippo venders? You stated you were not aware of manufactures who misrepresenet their jippo parts. BULL $#!+!
Very nice, throwing blame? I think I may have been right on the money afterall. It is clear you have no experience with the subject or you would know I have never sold any counterfit parts and you would also know that I cut off my resellers who were modifying reproduction parts to make them appear to be genuine. You need to educate yourself before making false claims and also demanding that people in the hobby stop helping each other. I think we can all see what kind of person you turned out to be and my personal opinion of you is now very low. Hawkrod
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2010, 03:47:10 pm »
My question is where are all these wide band vaccum advances coming from that have ground off and restamped numbers. They all look to be replated and that takes special tools to get that accomplished.

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2010, 08:15:26 am »
Looks like he swapped out the vacuum advance. The previous auction of this distributor had a cad plated advance. This one looks painted and the X12 stamping area doesn't look
whizzed.  ???

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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2010, 05:55:17 pm »
Actually, this one looks like it may be real!  note that the hole for the wire is closer to the clip retaining bosses....and the area around the numbers seems to have some patina to it.....  Maybe Mr seller is getting tired of all the crap on this forum?????  Are you reading this????   

As for dealing with his "fake" real auctions, just report it to ebay as bogus. They'll take them down......  If enough people keep doing this, perhaps he'll get the message.  Same with the rest of the folks.....

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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2010, 10:22:42 pm »

Still a fake...there is a common mistake the restampers make time and again, and this one has it.  However, this one is one of the better restamps.

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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2010, 10:59:35 pm »
FWIW

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Differences are pretty clear - Where's Waldo hiding in the upper pic?

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