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Offline gt-500

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What wheel is this ?
« on: October 21, 2006, 08:57:04 pm »
Do you know what wheel this is?  Is it a factory wheel for aa 70?
http://i23.ebayimg.com/03/i/08/9e/45/47_3.JPG
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2006, 09:18:59 pm »
What you are seeing is actually a wheel cover. It has simulated lug nuts on it, so it looks quite real. I think these were the standard wheel covers on MACHs that year.

I believe the rim looks like a standard rim but has a deeper dish on it to accomodate the wheel cover since it is pretty deep. The covers won't fit a regular rim.

I am sure so others on here can give you more detail.

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2006, 10:02:51 pm »
I'm pretty sure the wheels you're looking at are "Argent Styled Steel Wheels". These are the wheels that came on my '70 Mach 1 when sold new. This information is from my Marti Report..

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 12:20:14 am »
Nope not 70 styled steel wheels but the simulated mag hubcap offered in 70. These took an 8" wheel rather tha the standard 7"

Have both the agrent style steel wheels and the simulated mag hubcaps

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 06:14:14 am »
Jeff's on the right track, but off just a little.  They are called Sports Wheel Covers.  Three versions of the hub caps were used on Mustangs in '70, a standard depth rim, used on 14x6" wheels, and a deep dish version, used on 14x7" wheels.  The shallow ones were used on 351-2V's on down, the deep dish on 351-4V's on up.  The covers were not limited to Mach I's, but that is where they are typically seen.  A third version was used on 15" wheels for the Boss 302.
For 1970, the center color of the hub caps was keyed to the dark argent used on the grill components.
I say Mustang usage, because a similar set of three was used on other Ford products, with a different center.
These covers were continued into the '71-'73 production, with some differences in the paint colors.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 07:14:13 am »
I've always thought the wheels shown were the Argent Styled Steel Wheels. Can someone post a photo of Ford's ASSW for 1970. My original wheels are long gone.
Thanks for the trouble...

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2006, 08:53:53 am »
Here is a 70 styled steel "argent" wheel. Hawkrod

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2006, 11:25:03 am »
picture from original post Hawkrod

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 02:26:13 pm »
I'm pretty sure there are red center cap covers, which I believe were used on Torinos and other Fords.  The MPC says red for Fairlanes and Torinos, black for Mustangs, and has part numbers.
As far as the deep dish versus shallow, the standard rim on a 351-2V was a 14x6, even on a Mach I.  I have several references to this effect, I'll go pull them and give the cites.  The deep covers don't fit on these rims.  The shallow rims are/were available (I have a near-NOS set in the basement), and do fit 14x6's.  The MPC lists both -D's and -E's, E is the shallow, D the deep.  The '72 MPC specifically ties these to the 14x6 and 14x7 rims.  

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2006, 06:40:04 pm »
Only one problem, its a factory Lime Green metallic car, the previous owner didn't like the color, repainted it Calypso Coral.  I bought it for the options: its a vert with an M Code with factory shaker, power steering and power brakes. Got a whole bunch of other goodies thrown in (compact spare, etc.)  I wanted a 428, just couldn't find/afford one.
As far as the promo pics, remeber the '70 Boss 302 promo car had argent Magnum 500's, which weren't offered in '70.  I also don't doubt that red center wheel covers made it onto Mustangs, these covers get road rash on the edges, and you can't get behind it to hammer it out.

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2006, 06:53:03 pm »
Hawkrod..
Thanks for the picture of the wheels.
I always thought the other one's were the argent wheels.
I like these better..
Thanks again.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2006, 12:55:53 pm »
Are these hard to buy, or common?  I have a 70 Mach-I that has 14" F-70 tires listed on the Marti report.  I would like to get Mag-500's, but these are supposed to be the factory built wheels (caps).
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2006, 01:02:29 pm »
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Are these hard to buy, or common?  I have a 70 Mach-I that has 14" F-70 tires listed on the Marti report.  I would like to get Mag-500's, but these are supposed to be the factory built wheels (caps).


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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2006, 03:29:45 pm »
GT-500,

  They aren't hard to find, they're just hard to find in usable condition.  The outer rim is a wrap over design, such that when they get road rash, you can't get to the back of the outer rim to hammer them flat.  Thus, any dings are pretty much there to stay.  I've been looking without success for anyone who can restore them, without success.
  I have a near NOS set of the shallows, doesn't do me any good since my car (the vert) needs deeps.  I also have a set of NOS 15" caps (15x7 rims), I may try setting up a set with G60-15's, a la the Boss 302 set up.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2010, 08:13:06 pm »

As far as the deep dish versus shallow, the standard rim on a 351-2V was a 14x6, even on a Mach I.  I have several references to this effect, I'll go pull them and give the cites.   The MPC lists both -D's and -E's, E is the shallow, D the deep.  The '72 MPC specifically ties these to the 14x6 and 14x7 rims.  

  Carl

Did you ever find those cites?