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I am selling my numbers matching (original VIN stamped engine and tranny) Medium Blue Metallic 1970 B2 that came from the factory with a W-code 4.30 Detroit Locker rear axle and oil cooler setup.  
Of the 7,013 Boss 302’s made in 1970, 737 were equipped with a W code/4.30 rear axle.  Of the 737 figure, 230 cars were equipped with the Detroit Locker, whereas the balance of 507 were outfitted with the Traction Lok.  With respect to documentation, I have an original, partial build sheet that was under the carpet/underlayment, the Number 2 gate release invoice from Lois Eminger, and deluxe Marti report.  Detroit Locker equipped cars should have that specifically noted on the Marti & Eminger (it was a more expensive option than the Traction-Lok) as well as 979A as the axle code on the build sheet.  
The following is a link to quite a few pictures link to pictures .
 Included are some older pictures of the interior floor from when I first bought the car (Page 2 of pictures).  Where you see the minor spots where there is surface rust on the floors (interior), I subsequently wire-wheeled those spots and treated them with a rust neutralizer.  There was no rot found.

As evidenced by the Marti report, this is a Dearborn car that was built on June 1, 1970 and shipped to Lewis Ford Sales in Fayetteville, Arkansas equipped as follows:
Medium Blue Metallic paint - Q code (1 of 460 Boss 302 Mustangs)
Standard Black Rhino/Corinthian vinyl interior - BA
Detroit Locker Differential
Rear Deck Spoiler
Four-Speed Close Ratio Manual Transmission
Locking Differential
Optional Axle ratio
F60X15 Belted Tires w/ Raised White Letters
AM Radio
Magnum 500 Chrome Wheels

 It should be noted that the production statistics I am quoting vary slightly from those on my Marti report (ie. 230 vs. 254 Detroit Locker cars) as they pertain specifically to Boss 302 Mustangs whereas those on my  Marti Report are for Non- Mach I Mustang Sportsroofs (Body Style 02) of which Boss 302’s are a subset.   Also, the Marti information is great to verify the legitimacy of a vehicle and how it was originally equipped, but when you see almost every car for sale touting “1 of 1” based upon the combination of options, it loses something because he can make virtually any car be “1 of 1” by taking options down to a granular level.  I suppose that makes some people feel better about their car, but I didn’t ask for that.  


 Over the past 25 years, I have owned quite a few Mustangs/Shelby’s and this is one of the cleanest cars I have ever owned.  I looked at quite few inaccurately described cars before buying this one and this was by far the best combination in terms of condition, rarity, & originality.   As noted above, the car was originally sold by Lewis Ford Sales in Fayetteville, Arkansas.  At some point, the car was bought back by the owner of the dealership and held in his collection of cars.  I am not certain when it came to the Buffalo area, but I bought it from my best friend who found it locally.  He was in the midst of disassembling the car for a concours, rotisserie restoration when I bought it.  My intentions were to drive the car for a few years and then do a concours restoration.  To that end, I went through the drive train & mechanicals of the car to ensure that everything would be reliable (as much as it can be on a 40 yr. old car).   I was planning on this being a keeper, so I spared no expense in parts I bought.  I recently drove the car a couple hundred miles over the July 4th weekend and had no problems

All the sheet metal on the car is original and date coded to the car except for the driver’s side front fender which was replaced with an NOS piece due to a fender bender.  The only evidence of the damage remaining is some wrinkling on the driver’s side front apron.  Any competent body man can easily straighten when the car is restored.   I believe the car was repainted in lacquer in the 80’s at the time the fender was replaced.  I would consider the paint to be in decent driver condition as it has one small ding in  the passenger door, some chips/scratches and is flat/dull in some areas, but it shines well with a quick wax job.  However, I didn’t spend any time trying to buff it out because it wasn’t that important to me.   Basically, you probably won’t win any awards for paint quality, but at the same token I wouldn’t be embarrassed to take it to a local cruise night.  

  The fact the car was originally from Arkansas likely accounts for the virtually rust-free, condition of the body.  I say virtually rust-free as there three spots on the car starting to bubble under the paint:  a qtr size spot on the corner of each door and a dime size spot on the driver’s rear qtr.  Despite the small spots on the doors, which are typical, the seams where the door skins overlap the inner structure show no evidence of swelling from rust.  As such, I would not even consider reskinning them, but rather remove the affected area and butt-weld in some small patches.  Other than those areas, the floor pans, trunk floors & drop-offs, torque boxes, front fender aprons, and rear frame rails are in mint, original condition.  In fact, you can still see some of the bare areas on the trunk floor and floor pans where the body buck bolts held the body down as it went down the assembly line.  Even one of the most common areas for rust on 69-70’s, the area where the fender aprons overlap the shock towers, shows no evidence of rust. The floor pans retain most of the original factory slop paint (in this case dark, metallic green in the tranny tunnel) and undercoating except where there is some overspray from when it was repainted.

  You can buy a car that has been “restored” with a shiny paint job, but you never know what is underneath it.  Many of the cars I see on Ebay look nice until you look close and see the floor pans have been replaced (incorrect ribbing or not butt-welded), the quarters have been replaced (the bottoms behind the wheel opening are not recessed or the wheel lips are missing the locating tabs), or are missing original items that will nickel and dime you to death.  All in all, this car would be a very easy car to restore to whatever level you desire or to just drive and enjoy.  Virtually all the high dollar, Boss unique items are included. The following is a list of the unique original Boss items and what has been done to the car:

Engine/Tranny
Original DOZE-6015-B, VIN stamped block – block is .030 – engine was rebuilt prior to my ownership and has roughly 1k miles on it.  However, I disassembled it to the shortblock to verify and had the heads redone with new springs & seals.  I installed all new Fel Pro gaskets, new timing chain & steel gear, and a new oil pump with Motorsport HD pump drive.
Original DOZF Carb – Rebuilt & replated/restored by Pony Carbs
NOS Carb Spacer
Original Oil Cooler, DOZE Engine Adapter, & Hoses
Original Valve Covers with a beautiful original finish and no cracks/repairs
Original Accelerator Cable bracket – Replated
Original 4910S Carter X fuel pump – Rebuilt
Original Autolite Starter – Professionally Rebuilt by Bob Scott aka Bobsboss
Original Autolite 55 Amp Alternator – Professionally Rebuilt by Bob Scott aka Bobsboss & New AMK Boss Pulley & Fan installed (original pulley goes with car)
Original DOZF Distributor – Mint original finish housing and Autolite lead, Rebuilt (recurved, new bushings, & gear installed by Distributor Dynamics)
Original X-12 Distributor Vacuum Advance – Rebuilt & replated by Brian McDevitt
Original Exhaust Manifolds
Original Exhaust Manifold Heat Shield (not a repop)
New Reproduction Exhaust System (Bob Wilson)
Original FoMoCo stamped Exhaust hangers
Original Air Cleaner & Lid w/ original Boss 302 decal
Original Air Cleaner Snorkle (not a repop/modified 390 GT piece)
Original Air Cleaner Vacuum Motor – Rebuilt & replated by Brian McDevitt)
Original D00E-D Water pump rebuilt w/ correct cast iron six vein impeller
Recored FoMoCo 24” Radiator    
Original Boss Heater Tubes – Replated
Original Lift Hooks
New Reproduction Marti Radiator and Heater Hoses
New Reproduction Marti Battery Cables
New Reproduction Marti Belts
New Reproduction AMK Starter Solenoid
Original Voltage Regulator
Tranny-Original VIN stamped Close Ratio Tranny w/ Original RUG-AW tag
Original Stewart/Warner Speedometer Reduction Gear
New Ram Clutch & Pressure Plate (Long Style)
New Throw out Bearing
NOS Clutch Equalizer bar
NOS Clutch Rods & Springs
Original Driveshaft - New U-joints w/ zerk fittings
Original Hurst Shifter & stamped Shifter Rods (including Reverse Lockout Rod)
Original Lower Shifter Boot
NOS T-Handle

Brakes/Fuel
Original Brake Booster  - Rebuilt by Booster Dewey
New Master Cylinder (Original assembly line M/C and correct cap included in sale)
New Stainless Brake Line (Rigid) with correct dyed fittings– Classic Tube
New Flexible Brake Hoses
New Wheel Cylinders
Rebuilt Original Calipers w/ Stainless pistons
New Front Brake Pads, Rear Shoes & Hardware Kits (Springs, adjusters, etc…)
New Stainless Steel  Fuel Lines – Classic Tube
New Front Wheel Bearings (inner & outer)

Rear Axle
Rebuilt original N-Case w/4.30 Detroit Locker
Original 31-Spline Axles w/ new wheel bearings & seals
Original Rear Springs disassembled/detailed/reassembled with new antisqueak pads & AMK leaf clamps
Original Staggered Shock & Rear Sway Bar Plates
Original 5/8” Rear Sway Bar
Original Tie Down Brackets
New AMK rear axle U-bolts
New Front Sway Bar Bushings (Rubber-as original)
New AMK Rear Sway Bar End Links and Bushings (Rubber-as original)
New Rear Wheel Bearings & Seals
New Rear Shackles

Suspension
New reproduction Upper & Lower Control Arms (detailed as originals)  
New TRW Inner & Outer Tie Rods (detailed as originals)
New TRW Idler Arm
New spring perches
Set of New Koni Shocks
New Front  Sway Bar Bushings (Rubber-as original)
New AMK Front Sway Bar End Links and Bushings (Rubber-as original)
New Strut Rod Bushings

Interior/Exterior
Original Front & Rear Seats with Original Upholstery in beautiful condition.  Driver’s seat has a small seam separation, but it should be easy to repair.
Original Door Panels & Armrests in beautiful condition
Original Instrument Cluster bezel –rechromed, new bulbs, & lenses polished
NOS Dash Pad (not Ford Retooling/Dashes Direct)
NOS Outside Door Handles
NOS Shoulder Harnesses
NOS Rear Seat Belts
New Headliner & Sail panels
New Sail panel Courtesy Lights
New Sill Plates
New Brake, Clutch and Gas Pedal Pads
New ACC Carpet (Correct style with heel pad-no toe pad)
New Rear Window Gasket
New Reproduction Tinted Windshield (correct Carlite logo and date code etched)
Front Window Stainless Professionally refurbed and buffed to a mirror finish
New Heater Core
Heater Box -Disassembled and New foam installed
Original Choke Cable
NOS-Space Saver Cannister-Full
Original Space Saver Spare-Unused
Original Jack, Jack Handle, & Long J-Hook
Original Ford Rear Slats -  added/installed by a previous owner
Original Date Coded Magnum 500’s – I repainted the black center sections and the chrome is in above avg condition.   There is some minor peeling on the fronts of two of the rims near the center and minor pitting, but very nice otherwise.  They would need to be refinished for a show car.  The center caps are original Ford items and look almost NOS, so I assume they were replaced at some point.
New BFG Radial T/A’s 235/60/15

All that being said, I am looking to sell the car ONLY because I am interested in buying a 1966 Shelby GT-350.   Don’t get me wrong, this is a great car and I am lucky to own it, but my passion lies with the early Shelby’s and I miss having one.   I do not have one in mind, I am NOT desperate to sell, nor do I have to sell it to buy one.

Price is $50k.  

 I am NOT looking for ANY trades unless it is towards a REAL 1966 Shelby GT-350 (not a clone/tribute/Eleanor or whatever the new PC buzzword is for a fake POS).  
The car is available for inspection to SERIOUS buyers.  I don’t wish to be a jerk, but I respect other people’s time, so I would appreciate the same courtesy.    I can be reached via email @ watabtbob@roadrunner.com or on my cell at 716-462-0476, just bear in mind that my time zone is EST.  Thanks!  Bob
« Last Edit: February 10, 2011, 07:24:55 am by BossinWaiting »

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I have to say, for what this car is the asking price seems to make this one of the better buys on the market.  I'm actually surprised that the right buyer hasn't come across it yet...all in good time I guess.

979A W Code; Saker' up front, Spoiler' in the rear.

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I have to say, for what this car is the asking price seems to make this one of the better buys on the market.  I'm actually surprised that the right buyer hasn't come across it yet...all in good time I guess.

Mike,
Thanks for the kind words.  Of course, I may be biased, but it is an exceptionally clean car with all the big $ parts.  You can get in, drive it now and restore it down the road (which was my plan) or restore now.  In either case, it would be an easy resto. 

I find it interesting given what people are still paying for rusted hulks that are missing everything.  The final investment will be a lot more than they think and it will always be a patchwork quilt when done.
Bob
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CCbossman, where ever you are, you better jump on this one, if you want a great driver!!!   Tell your dad to go to the bank for ya!!!   Use some of that moldy "hazardous duty pay"  ;^)   

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What are you asking for this car?
Where in NY are you?
John
jdettori@optonline.net
1967 GT Vert      2001 SVT Cobra
1970 Boss 302    2013 Boss 302 LS #214
1986 SVO

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John,
The price is near the bottom of the ad, $53k.  I am in Buffalo, NY.  Purchase includes a tour of Niagara Falls....(U.S. side).  You can visit all the abandoned chemical plants and the second largest attraction next to the Falls, the Seneca Indian Casino...
Thanks!

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CCbossman, where ever you are, you better jump on this one, if you want a great driver!!!   Tell your dad to go to the bank for ya!!!   Use some of that moldy "hazardous duty pay"  ;^)   

That is a nice driver.....almost too nice to drive a lot!!!  Based on the car and all the correct items that go with it, I would say this is one of (if not the) best deal currently being offered.  Just couldn't bring myself to drop that much cash while being 6,000 miles away.
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CCbossman, where ever you are, you better jump on this one, if you want a great driver!!!   Tell your dad to go to the bank for ya!!!   Use some of that moldy "hazardous duty pay"  ;^)   

That is a nice driver.....almost too nice to drive a lot!!!  Based on the car and all the correct items that go with it, I would say this is one of (if not the) best deal currently being offered.  Just couldn't bring myself to drop that much cash while being 6,000 miles away.

CCBossMan,
Certainly understandable.  I appreciate the thoughts on the car being a good deal.  Obviously, I agree.  I am not sure if you are in the Armed Services, but if you are, I thank you for that as well. 
Bob

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Bob,
Do you still have your BOSS? 
If so, I'm a member of the FORD GT Forum and will post this if you would like me to.
Would love to see a friend of mine own your exceptional B2 if still for sale.

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Bob,
Do you still have your BOSS? 
If so, I'm a member of the FORD GT Forum and will post this if you would like me to.
Would love to see a friend of mine own your exceptional B2 if still for sale.

Kevin,
Amazingly, yes I still do.  I say that not to be cocky, but the care is really that nice.  I have yet to have anyone come look at the car.  I think if someone did, it would be sold.  I know that the economy sucks, but I think the car is fairly priced considering what it is and has.  I would probably be better off taking some of the original parts off and selling them separately in order to lower the price of the car.  However, in all good conscience, I can't bring myself to do that. 
In addition, I really don't have to sell it.  It would be the more desirable option as it would keep my wife off my back when I buy a 66 Shelby.  She is already starting to bug me about starting a college fund for my 2yr. old.  She wasn't buying my response of "Honey, he is going to be smart like you and get a full boat scholarship just like his Mother".

Back to your offer.  That would be very cool if you would do that.  I would appreciate it.  I just took a bunch of new undercarriage pictures with the car on a lift (as opposed to taking them on the ground) that I need to post. 
I envy your Ford GT ownership.  I am trying to convince my well-to-do buddy to buy one so his ne'er-do-well friend can drive it.  However, he wants to secure a 65 Shelby before he buys one.
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have you posted it on caronline.com and Hemmings?

different buyers on each one.....they are not looking at e-bay either....

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Bob
I'm at Monterey for the races the next couple days without my laptop. I'll post it when I get back home to my laptop. If you like PM me with your phone number or email so I can include it.
When your buddy is ready to buy a GT let me know. I'll get him to the guy who moves more GTs than anyone and does so because he is a fellow owner and is 100% honest and maintains the highest integrity in all his transactions. As with a 65/66 Shelby, you need to know EXACTLY what you are buying.   

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Bob
I'm at Monterey for the races the next couple days without my laptop. I'll post it when I get back home to my laptop. If you like PM me with your phone number or email so I can include it.
When your buddy is ready to buy a GT let me know. I'll get him to the guy who moves more GTs than anyone and does so because he is a fellow owner and is 100% honest and maintains the highest integrity in all his transactions. As with a 65/66 Shelby, you need to know EXACTLY what you are buying.   

Kevin,
Again, thanks for your help.  If your help leads to a sale, I have something that will solve your front spoiler issues.  ;)
My contact info was up above anyhow, so I have no issue giving it out in the thread.  I can be reached via email @ watabtbob@roadrunner.com or on my cell at 716-462-0476, just bear in mind that my time zone is EST.  Thanks!  Bob
 

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You have a particularly nice '70 Boss there Bob;
Good luck with the sale, your price seems very fair.
Always liked the photo you have the Boss in the shed,
Medium Blue is a great colour!

                                                           Rodney

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You have a particularly nice '70 Boss there Bob;
Good luck with the sale, your price seems very fair.
Always liked the photo you have the Boss in the shed,
Medium Blue is a great colour!

                                                           Rodney
Rodney,
Thanks!  I thought you Kiwi's and Aussies were buying up all our cars given the exchange rate.  I can stick it a container if you want.  Just promise you won't make it RH drive!! ;)
If you are talking about my old signature picture with the car up on jack stands, that was not a shed.  The car was sitting in the corner of my friend's very large race shop which is attached to his company.  I bought the car from him just as you saw it and he let me store/work on the car there.  In fact, it is still stored there.   
At one point, right next to it there were three Roush Trans Am cars/chassis' that my friend raced.  I believe one is now in the Roush museum (I think it was the John Player Special car). 
Regards
Bob

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