1971 Boss 351 Mustang project car

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

My Boss 351 for sale. Originally red/black.
Needs sheet metal work. Drive train is original. I have a Boss engine with all correct manifolds,
distributor, and an all correct D1ZF-ZA carb. Engine will need rebuild. No accessories. Have $10,000 in the engine alone. Upper plenum and intake flappers for RAM AIR, no base. NOS D1ZX dipstick. Have clear title, factory invoice, and Marti report. The non-correct 351C-4v motor in the car will be included! Has a period correct Edelbrock Torker intake, and Holley carb!
$18,500.

No emails, or PMs please. Cash buyers feel free to call with questions 4-9PM EST.

Tom
757.581.4119

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

Bump...........

[jkutil]

Is this car still for sale I am interested.

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

Is this car still for sale I am interested.

 
My phone number is listed in the posting. Feel free to call.... If I don't answer I may be on a flight so just leave a message

 thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,

[shelby_69GT500]

Just curious how this car wouldn't sell for 12.5K and now that the market for these has totally tanked it is now for sale for 18K?

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

Just curious how this car wouldn't sell for 12.5K and now that the market for these has totally tanked it is now for sale for 18K?

I don't believe the market is any more "tanked" now than it was 18 months ago. We are all speculators, aren't we? Everyone wants a Boss Mustang cheap, because we know one day the market will again rise and lift all boats, and then we can feel good about what a great investment we made when the market was "tanked" and WOW! look at what it's worth now!

When I was asking $12.5K for the car potential buyers complained that I didn't have all the "hard to find" engine parts. So I went out and EASILY found and purchased all the "hard to find" parts. Now I have all the good stuff... ooooh yes!  A beautiful carb with the original tag on it, intake and exhaust manifolds, and a very nice distributor. Oh yeah, and an NOS D1ZX dipstick... So now I have a pretty complete and correct Boss 351 motor setup to go with the original drivetrain in the car. I now have over $10,000 in just the motor & parts alone, but it's right.

The rest of the car just needs the sheet metal work. I think the sheet metal is the easy part, if you've got the right stuff to put in it, and I've got the goods...Har Har Har!

So that's how the car is now for sale for $18K; I've added value with the rare, and, "hard to find" parts.

I read somewhere on the forum (or was it in Mustang Monthly) that the diffrerence between a good Boss and a great Boss will be those with the correct carb.







 

[EricDickerson]

I don't believe the market is any more "tanked" now than it was 18 months ago.

No need to explain yourself. I hate it, when someone thinks they know this market to the T and feel they need to negatively comment on someone's selling price. It's simple, if you're not willing pay, hit the back the button - and keep searching for a car in your budget (as I did with my Boss 302). These cars are worth, what somone is willing to pay. 

[svo2scj]

Just curious how this car wouldn't sell for 12.5K and now that the market for these has totally tanked it is now for sale for 18K?

I don't believe the market is any more "tanked" now than it was 18 months ago. We are all speculators, aren't we? Everyone wants a Boss Mustang cheap, because we know one day the market will again rise and lift all boats, and then we can feel good about what a great investment we made when the market was "tanked" and WOW! look at what it's worth now!

When I was asking $12.5K for the car potential buyers complained that I didn't have all the "hard to find" engine parts. So I went out and EASILY found and purchased all the "hard to find" parts. Now I have all the good stuff... ooooh yes!  A beautiful carb with the original tag on it, intake and exhaust manifolds, and a very nice distributor. Oh yeah, and an NOS D1ZX dipstick... So now I have a pretty complete and correct Boss 351 motor setup to go with the original drivetrain in the car. I now have over $10,000 in just the motor & parts alone, but it's right.

The rest of the car just needs the sheet metal work. I think the sheet metal is the easy part, if you've got the right stuff to put in it, and I've got the goods...Har Har Har!

So that's how the car is now for sale for $18K; I've added value with the rare, and, "hard to find" parts.

I read somewhere on the forum (or was it in Mustang Monthly) that the diffrerence between a good Boss and a great Boss will be those with the correct carb.

Tom
I'm impressed you took the time and explained your car and effort !   Many would have just po po'd a question like that or bashed back.  Your number really add up correctly.   IF you kept your motor at 10K I'm sure that the car would be 10K and maybe settle for 8K.   It really does make sense.

Mark
P.S.  Had post been - I think that looks like too much work....... then many would agree.  But some would say it is the only way they can get a rare car or "I've seen worse".

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

Mark and Eric, thanks for words of support (I think).

Honestly there are lots of opinions about the real value of classic musclecars, and I understand the market is weak, but I think a Boss 351 Mustang with all the correct parts, one of ~600 or so still existing, is always going to be in or near the top 10 for collectors.

It's so funny though- I've had a couple very nice acceptable offers, but when when I tell them "ok, I'll take that", they shut up and disappear! Hahaha.....

I think the future has already been cast, and it's inevitable that I will restore the Boss 351. 

[shelby_69GT500]

Tom,

Thanks for the explanation. All I really wanted to know was what you acquired or did to the car to bump the asking price. I wasn't bashing you at all. I just wanted to start a little discussion around your car so people would see why the price changed. I am sure that I wasn't the only one scratching my head.

To those who want to whine about me posing the question to Tom, go ahead. I am entitled to ask whatever I feel is relevant.

I never claimed to know this or any other market to a "T" as someone stated. It is pretty easy to "follow" the market and see what cars do sell for and what cars don't sell for. If car is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it then I will give that person 5K for their Boss. Something tells me it's worth more than that.

As far as the correct carb being the difference between a good Boss and a great Boss I couldn't disagree more. In my opinion, and I think most will agree with me, the difference between a good Boss and a great Boss will be matching numbers engine/drivetrain. There is only one engine that came in your car from the factory. There was 1806 carburetors, so they can be found.  The difference between 2 Boss 351's that BOTH have matching number engines may be the correct carb but the correct carb will never be more impotant than the original engine. I believe that is what was meant by the author of that statement.

I also agree with Mark that the best way to get the money you want may be to separate the engine and the car.

Lastly, thank-you for replying to my question and explaining the price change.

[Team Sho-Air]

Tom,

Thanks for the explanation. All I really wanted to know was what you acquired or did to the car to bump the asking price. I wasn't bashing you at all. I just wanted to start a little discussion around your car so people would see why the price changed. I am sure that I wasn't the only one scratching my head.

To those who want to whine about me posing the question to Tom, go ahead. I am entitled to ask whatever I feel is relevant.

I never claimed to know this or any other market to a "T" as someone stated. It is pretty easy to "follow" the market and see what cars do sell for and what cars don't sell for. If car is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it then I will give that person 5K for their Boss. Something tells me it's worth more than that.

As far as the correct carb being the difference between a good Boss and a great Boss I couldn't disagree more. In my opinion, and I think most will agree with me, the difference between a good Boss and a great Boss will be matching numbers engine/drivetrain. There is only one engine that came in your car from the factory. There was 1806 carburetors, so they can be found.  The difference between 2 Boss 351's that BOTH have matching number engines may be the correct carb but the correct carb will never be more impotant than the original engine. I believe that is what was meant by the author of that statement.

I also agree with Mark that the best way to get the money you want may be to separate the engine and the car.

Lastly, thank-you for replying to my question and explaining the price change.

+ 1

I actually hope he sells the car for his asking price, i own a Boss 351 and it helps the value of my car, however there is a reason the car has not sold, its been advertised for a long time now, i really hope someone buys it.........butt, i just purchased mine (well Kenny and mine) with a complete matching drivetrain in better condition ( the owner did not list the car as matching becuase he thought it was a 351 Clev motor) for 5700.00. As for me, like i said, i hope he gets 20K for the car, however i would be very surprised if he does.

Scott

[svo2scj]

I also agree with Mark that the best way to get the money you want may be to separate the engine and the car.

But I don't think I was saying that to Tom !!   

Having spent time with him - I know he is "torn" on what to do.    He really wants to restore the car (cars)!   I think his effort and expense to get the motor items together - 1/2 go to wanting what is right for the car -1/2 goes to the "I'm going to restore the car!"

A big part of messing with these things is LIFE !   When we are too busy, don't have the time or money is needed for other things CARS come last. 

Getting people to value (read take on a project) is actually pretty hard.  THEY have to have convinced themselves that "it is a good thing" /right thing to do -right price.

Mark
P.S.  Motor's are the easy thing to come up with.   WE may not want to know just what everyone is "sitting on" for projects or "if a body becomes available"!

[Ramairguy]

I hope the car sells too, having said that let me educate, or perhaps enlighten you a bit on the body work end of the spectrum. My Boss was in similar shape but is on its way back to a concours restoration. The numbers have to add up if you are planning on flipping it someday, if you will keep it forever and money doesnt matter, then read on. A person will have $20K into your purchase by the time they get it home. Then the fun begins. Assuming you send it out to get the work done, and what level is the quality of body work being done, you can expect that to cost at least another $25000- $35000 for labour. This wont include paint which if painted correctly will run you in the neighborhood of at least $12000 - $15000, if not more.  You could buy a dated rotissiere restoration for far less than what you will have invested into the project by the time its done. I didn't pay attention to the ad, but I assume you have NOS Fenders, Quarters, Rust free doors? What about a complete NOS floorpan form Ford? Ever seen one? Bob Perkins has only ever seen 3 in his life, I and he wouldnt sell it for less than $5000 if he had one to sell, he had told me personally. Sure re pop body parts are cheap but fit poorly and a ton of time is invested in making it correct looking. Even NOS parts are wonky at times. So now you rebuild the motor, perhaps you choose to warm it up a bit, do a bit of head work, etc etc and not do anything to insane, suddenly your at anywhere from $4500 to as much as $10000. New Polyglas or Wide Oval tires and Magnums? Theres another $1700 and thats re popped stuff. All the little parts and pieces that you can get from NPD? Easily $6000 for all the little bits and pieces, and thats a base interior. Trust me, I hope you get it, but you are reading this from the horses mouth so to speak.

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

@shelby_69GT500- It's a fairly small group of folks here on the Boss 351 forum, and we are generally "type  A" strong headed personalities that play with these cars, each with our own thoughts and opinions... that's what keeps things interesting, and easy to get a discussion going!!!!

@RAMAIRGUY- I agree things add up fast when restoring a rusty car that needs parts also. But I think your estimate of $25K-35K is a little generous for sheet metal work, but it all depends on who is doing the work. At $25,000, that's 200 hours @ $125/hr- that's 8 hrs/day/5days/week for 5 weeks, just to replace sheet metal?? If a shop that's charging $125/hr for labor can't get a couple lower quarters, a floor pan, radiator support, and some misc patching done in 5 weeks then something's wrong and they are not worth $125/hr.  You're saying another $12-$15K on top for just paint alone. Sure, one could spend that much- but why would you? On a 71 Mustang? Maybe on a 57 Jag, LOL! Very acceptable show quality paint can be squirted on a 71 Mustang for half of that or less.

I had my 69 fully done a couple years ago including media blasting, new floors, trunk pan, drop offs, a lower quarter, all brand new glass (ex rear window), window regulators, door hinges, mirrors, hood hinges & pins, and lower wheel house patches, and oh yeah, absolutely gorgeous Dragonfire Red paint, new spoilers and rear louvers, all done for about $12K and Gorgeous! I found and purchased all the parts myself so i would not be up-charged, and I personally supervised everyone who was working on my car. Good thing I did too because they were about to do some stupid s++t, but that's another topic. They had great talent working there, but poorly managed.

Just my opinion of course, but if someone spent more than $30K total (in addition to the purchase price) to restore the Boss I have then they don't have much technical knowlege about the cars, can't or won't do any work themselves, have disposable wealth and willing to spend it, or any combination of the preceding, or are just being taken to the cleaners.

My opinion is that these cars are old fashioned low tech, with no AC, a radio, hand crank windows, and no integrated digital components. If someone would end up spending over $60K to restore a car that might be valued at $45K, then it's not the project for them and they should find something that will work for their own situation.

Bottom line-- -the cost of resto depends on the individual's knowlege, skills, resourcefullness, and stamina--

Sorry for the long post, love the discussion ......

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

@RAMAIRGUY- I was re-reading your post. You were talking about a $5K NOS floorpan vs. a repop. There's another old-fashoined way to get correct parts- a donor car! I haven't looked lately, but I'm sure a rust free, ragged out coupe could be had from out west... and mostly all the sheet metal from the beltline down is the same, and if I'm not mistaken would be considered "thoroughbred" parts.