Author Topic: Boss Eliminator for sale (Read 3401 times)

Bosscat40 · « **on:** March 31, 2012, 11:53:29 am »

Has anyone thought about the yellow 70 car for sale on Hemmings site? We've seen it here & I (my opinion) think that this car is a really great time capsule. Now of course I didn't win the lottery last night,but for a car: no rear spoiler install, that funny word rear end, & woodgrain install(by dealer) Not too far out of line?

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2012, 03:17:05 pm »

Do you have a link?

CaBossFan · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2012, 05:08:40 pm »

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/mercury/cougar/1355895.html

McKeever · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2012, 05:18:23 pm »

Thought Eliminators came with 8000 RPM tach, this one has 6000 RPM and are those wheels right?
Not to mention the door speakers and yellow overspray onto the black engine compartment by the cowl.
Just saying for that kind of money.

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:41:39 am »

Quote from: McKeever on April 01, 2012, 05:18:23 pm

Thought Eliminators came with 8000 RPM tach, this one has 6000 RPM and are those wheels right?
Not to mention the door speakers and yellow overspray onto the black engine compartment by the cowl.
Just saying for that kind of money.

Actually, some early cars got 6k tachs, just as some SCJ cars did not receive staggered rear shocks. My Pastel Blue Boss 302 Eliminator is one of the first eliminators built and it has a 6k tach, and it was fully documented as so. This car is also a super drag pack car................very very rare.

McKeever · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2012, 09:19:18 pm »

So all 69 BOSS 302's and 70's had 8000 RPM tach's if they came with them.
And your sayin an early 70 Eliminator BOSS 302 came with a 6000 RPM tach? Surely Ford would have fixed this by 70.
How would Ford let a car with a 6150 Rev limiter leave the Factory with a 6000 RPM tach?
It's a nice story.. one I'm not buying.
And what exactly is your documentation.
Bosscougars.. love to hear your take.

bosscougars · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2012, 09:41:27 pm »

Answered your PM.
Frank

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2012, 09:45:00 pm »

It was an original paint car, it was certified by Dave Wyrwas (he is the previous owner and Cougar Eliminator Registry) as original, the car should also have staggered rear shocks and it does not. It was a 100% original car with original paint before we started the restoration and can be verified by Dave, and I have the original build sheet for the car and Marti. Furthermore my fully documented SCJ eliminator 4 speed did not have staggered rear shocks even though it should (and Bosscougars used to own that car). Guess what, they built some cars with exceptions, it was a different time. Hope this clears up your questions.

Frank i see you posted that you send McKeever a pm, why not just post for all to see?

Bosscat40 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2012, 09:59:36 pm »

Howdy Scott! I thought the owner of the yellow (Drag-Pak) OK I typed it...Kill me later, said he was going to sell it. He didn't really want to just keep the car & not drive it. Kind of stalled with the pricetag though?

bosscougars · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2012, 10:06:33 pm »

I just tried to verify what has been said. I also tried to post here and the message disappeared after telling me that there was a post while I was typing. I don't type very fast so it AIN'T easy. Also I said that I have a magazine somewhere with a 1970 Boss 302 article. The car was being test driven by somebody from the magazine. The guy made a comment about the car running out of tach before hitting the rev limiter. You could see the 6000 RPM tach in the picture of the dash. It was a 4:30 car. Since most if not all 1969 and 1970 Cougars [not just Eliminators]came with tachs you can see how easy it would have been to do the screw -up. I personally had two 1970 428 cars with 8000 tachs. It happened, period.
Frank

Bosscat40

It's Super Drag Pak

Here is a Marti report on another one that I owned. It is now owned by John Cena, the wrestler.

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2012, 10:09:09 pm »

Quote from: Bosscat40 on April 02, 2012, 09:59:36 pm

Howdy Scott! I thought the owner of the yellow (Drag-Pak) OK I typed it...Kill me later, said he was going to sell it. He didn't really want to just keep the car & not drive it. Kind of stalled with the pricetag though?

Guess what you can call it a Drag-Pak..................that’s what Mercury called them, in fact mine says Super Drag Pak on the Marti

I think the car needs to go to BJ and be advertised and hyped a bit more about how rare it is for a Boss 302 and the Super Drag Pak option..................sooooo Drag Pak, Drag Pak, Drag Pak hahahahah

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2012, 10:10:22 pm »

Quote from: bosscougars on April 02, 2012, 10:06:33 pm

I just tried to verify what has been said. I also tried to post here and the message disappeared after telling me that there was a post while I was typing. I don't type very fast so it AIN'T easy. Also I said that I have a magazine somewhere with a 1970 Boss 302 article. The car was being test driven by somebody from the magazine. The guy made a comment about the car running out of tach before hitting the rev limiter. You could see the 6000 RPM tach in the picture of the dash. It was a 4:30 car. Since most if not all 1969 and 1970 Cougars [not just Eliminators]came with tachs you can see how easy it would have been to do the screw -up. I personally had two 1970 428 cars with 8000 tachs. It happened, period.
Frank

Frank, thank you for always keepin it real

bosscougars · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2012, 10:23:27 pm »

Scott---I revised my post to answer Bosscat40.

trboss · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2012, 02:53:27 am »

1970 Boss Eliminator- 430\Super Drag Pak\Comp\Gold\(Grabber Orange)-black-close ratio- 4-speed--build sheet\original sticker --original 1970 Owners Manual\Protecto Plate- Eminger\Marti\reports - "-Muscle Car Review" Article- Car---Ertil Cougar Toy\Pattern car-( have rare muscle car review color trading card of this car ) - One of 12- 1970 Cougar Super Drag Pak Cars known to exist- 9 are" Boss 302 Eliminator Cars"- accounted for. This car is a piece of" Muscle Car" history $75.000 -402-301-9127- Tim

McKeever · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2012, 08:52:58 am »

I stand correted.
Thank you Frank.

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #15 on:** April 03, 2012, 09:01:02 am »

Quote from: trboss on April 03, 2012, 02:53:27 am

1970 Boss Eliminator- 430\Super Drag Pak\Comp\Gold\(Grabber Orange)-black-close ratio- 4-speed--build sheet\original sticker --original 1970 Owners Manual\Protecto Plate- Eminger\Marti\reports - "-Muscle Car Review" Article- Car---Ertil Cougar Toy\Pattern car-( have rare muscle car review color trading card of this car ) - One of 12- 1970 Cougar Super Drag Pak Cars known to exist- 9 are" Boss 302 Eliminator Cars"- accounted for. This car is a piece of" Muscle Car" history $75.000 -402-301-9127- Tim

Can you post some pictures Tim, or maybe a link? Would like to see the car? I will call you today to chat, i am not interested but i know someone who may be.

Scott

430dragpack · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2012, 04:49:55 pm »

Tim,
Where did you get the "original" window sticker and build sheet for 0F91G544281?

trboss · « **Reply #17 on:** April 05, 2012, 01:55:59 am »

Both Came with my Car--since the build sheet was under the carpet- it is a smaller reminant-still clearly shows the serial number. I have been out of town-next week end I should have full set of pictures

KK1826 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2012, 07:09:34 pm »

PM sent Tim

trboss · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2012, 06:15:01 am »

What are your questions?

ex2409pilot · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2012, 10:19:16 am »

Kind of late to the party here, since I don't check the Cougar section too often, but for what it's worth, I have seen the yellow Eliminator and it is nothing short of amazing. It belongs to forum member "kurt" who like the Hemmings ad states found it not far from Belleville, which is just across the river from St.Louis. I stopped in to see the car about 18 months ago right after Kurt got it cleaned up. If you are looking for a survivor you won't be disappointed. Kurt is a heck of a nice guy and straight shooter.

430dragpack · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2012, 11:39:23 am »

You may have found a build sheet, but there wasn't an original window sticker for 0F544281 when you bought it from Roy. Did you detail the undercarrige, suspension, and engine bay? Did you get a Boss radiator, fan blade, non-power steering crank pulley, and transmission? Did you put the other engine block in it?

trboss · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2012, 01:51:23 am »

Yes I have detailed all the undercarrige- suspension and engine bay and have-- and installing all the appropriate parts--this is being done by a Nationally reconized Mustang\Shelby Restoration Company---What you don't know was all the information on the cougar that Roy did not know he had--The engine block is being rebuilt as a spare that comes with the car.I am no novice owner-I have owned a Boss 9 and a Boss 302 and this car is the" Real Deal" any other questions???

430dragpack · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2012, 09:12:37 am »

I am not questioning the car, just the original window sticker. Its a good, rare car and totally deserves a restoration. Is Mikes Classic Cars doing the work? I used to take it to shows and functions several times a year and even stored it in my garage for a while a few years back. Ive been associated with it for 20+ yrs and never saw the original window sticker. I have copies of the paperwork since when Dave owned it before Roy. Can you email me a copy of it for my files?
I cant wait to see it finally finished up, as it should have been long ago!
ceejay302@hotmail.com

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #24 on:** April 12, 2012, 09:14:49 am »

Quote from: trboss on April 12, 2012, 01:51:23 am

Yes I have detailed all the undercarrige- suspension and engine bay and have-- and installing all the appropriate parts--this is being done by a Nationally reconized Mustang\Shelby Restoration Company---What you don't know was all the information on the cougar that Roy did not know he had--The engine block is being rebuilt as a spare that comes with the car.I am no novice owner-I have owned a Boss 9 and a Boss 302 and this car is the" Real Deal" any other questions???

Sure I have a few, how about disclosing all of this on your post and or add in the first place, when you sell a car like this and ask this kind of money, as you should know not being a novice, documentation is everything. Pictures of the detailing as well as the numbers matching motor that goes with the car are also important. Not trying to be critical, however when you say “original condition, numbers matching, and Cat sports all of its original parts” people assume that the correct motor is in the car, etc. Trust me, I know how rare this car is, I own one, and I have a vested interest in you getting top dollar for the car, in fact I think (as long as all correct stuff is there) your price is low, and I feel that if it went to BJ you would most likely fetch much more! That is of course if all documentation is present and have a clear detailed history of the car. Good luck with the sale, it is an amazing car, hopefully you will end up sending it to BJ as I think it would do very very well, as Cougars or on the come.

430dragpack · « **Reply #25 on:** April 12, 2012, 10:46:56 am »

Team sho-air,
The spare engine is not the original, it is a date code correct block. It had a D1 block in it when Tim bought it and came with the other. The original engine and trans are long gone.

trboss · « **Reply #26 on:** April 12, 2012, 08:28:49 pm »

I never said I had the original engine\tranny-but I have bought the correct date coded parts--now! all it took was time and money and it was not that difficult when you have good contacts--any other questions?

GN204 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 12, 2012, 10:37:22 pm »

No offence, but you (if you're the advertiser in Hemmings) did say it was numbers matching! Isn't the Hemmings advert just a wee bit misleading then, if the car doesn't have the correct engine & trans? First couple of lines copied direct from your advert below and underlined/bold, for reference...

1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator Boss 302, Original Condition, unrestored, numbers matching, 20,263 original mile Boss 302 Cougar Eliminator.

Presence of a date correct block and/or trans, does NOT make a car numbers matching, just in case you're wondering. Your butt would be in Court faster than a Defence Attorney on heat, if you sold that to me pretending it was numbers matching (though I'd pick that a mile away myself, but some poor unsuspecting/trusting person may get shonked on that detail, which is pretty rude). It's further misleading, as it's not in original condition, if the engine and trans have been removed and replaced, no matter how accurate the dates on the replacement parts. It's like the old 'survivor' car story that's been half restored and all mechanicals rebuilt - ie: not a survivor. I'd like to see that Hemmings ad revised to be a little more truthful.

Nice looking car, though.

70B302Cat · « **Reply #28 on:** April 13, 2012, 06:53:52 am »

Quote from: GN204 on April 12, 2012, 10:37:22 pm

No offence, but you (if you're the advertiser in Hemmings) did say it was numbers matching! Isn't the Hemmings advert just a wee bit misleading then, if the car doesn't have the correct engine & trans? First couple of lines copied direct from your advert below and underlined/bold, for reference...

1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator Boss 302, Original Condition, unrestored, numbers matching, 20,263 original mile Boss 302 Cougar Eliminator.

Presence of a date correct block and/or trans, does NOT make a car numbers matching, just in case you're wondering. Your butt would be in Court faster than a Defence Attorney on heat, if you sold that to me pretending it was numbers matching (though I'd pick that a mile away myself, but some poor unsuspecting/trusting person may get shonked on that detail, which is pretty rude). It's further misleading, as it's not in original condition, if the engine and trans have been removed and replaced, no matter how accurate the dates on the replacement parts. It's like the old 'survivor' car story that's been half restored and all mechanicals rebuilt - ie: not a survivor. I'd like to see that Hemmings ad revised to be a little more truthful.

Nice looking car, though.

Sean,

Two different cars being discussed, both Super Drag Pak B2 Eliminators, equipped with close ratio transmissions and standard black interiors.

The orginal thread was started about the car in Hemmings, that is 0F91G541604, asking $110,000, which is paint code D, is in Illinois and which recently still had the remnants of the original paper tag on the rear end housing. The present owner of this car has not posted on this thread.

trboss advertising his car on the same thread, rather than starting a new one owns 0F91G544281, asking $75,000, is paint code U was previously in Iowa but based on the area code is now in Nebraska. It previously had a D1 block in it which has since been replaced with a "date code correct" block which is not original to the car.

Bosscat40 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 13, 2012, 06:57:03 am »

Thanks Dave! I still love the yellow one. It's Fri 13th, I bought a lottery ticket. Who knows???

GN204 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2012, 09:03:03 am »

G'day Dave, good to hear from you. That makes a LOT more sense, now. I wondered why the price was so different, but figured that it was changed because of the economy or something. I retract my words, then! Let the game continue!

Team Sho-Air · « **Reply #31 on:** April 13, 2012, 09:44:20 am »

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Sean,

Two different cars being discussed, both Super Drag Pak B2 Eliminators, equipped with close ratio transmissions and standard black interiors.

The orginal thread was started about the car in Hemmings, that is 0F91G541604, asking $110,000, which is paint code D, is in Illinois and which recently still had the remnants of the original paper tag on the rear end housing. The present owner of this car has not posted on this thread.

trboss advertising his car on the same thread, rather than starting a new one owns 0F91G544281, asking $75,000, is paint code U was previously in Iowa but based on the area code is now in Nebraska. It previously had a D1 block in it which has since been replaced with a "date code correct" block which is not original to the car.
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Dave, thank you for clearing this up for me as well................so once again I guess we need to see pictures of the trboss car, and his add would be nice as well. I have wrongly assumed that this was the same car we were originally talking about; I just thought the guy lowered his price. So ex2409pilot, which car are you talking about? I see someone refer to the owner of the 75K car as Tim, and your post says his name is Kurt? Personally I think that trboss should start a new thread with his car for sale and a description with pictures and info.

70B302Cat · « **Reply #32 on:** April 13, 2012, 10:59:59 am »

Quote from: Team Sho-Air on April 13, 2012, 09:44:20 am

Sean,

Two different cars being discussed, both Super Drag Pak B2 Eliminators, equipped with close ratio transmissions and standard black interiors.

The orginal thread was started about the car in Hemmings, that is 0F91G541604, asking $110,000, which is paint code D, is in Illinois and which recently still had the remnants of the original paper tag on the rear end housing. The present owner of this car has not posted on this thread.

trboss advertising his car on the same thread, rather than starting a new one owns 0F91G544281, asking $75,000, is paint code U was previously in Iowa but based on the area code is now in Nebraska. It previously had a D1 block in it which has since been replaced with a "date code correct" block which is not original to the car.
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Dave, thank you for clearing this up for me as well................so once again I guess we need to see pictures of the trboss car, and his add would be nice as well. I have wrongly assumed that this was the same car we were originally talking about; I just thought the guy lowered his price. So ex2409pilot, which car are you talking about? I see someone refer to the owner of the 75K car as Tim, and your post says his name is Kurt? Personally I think that trboss should start a new thread with his car for sale and a description with pictures and info.
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The owner of the Paint code "D" car is named Kurt. Here is his first post about the Eliminator on this site;

http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=48004.msg306751#msg306751

Here is his introductory post on the MercuryCougar.net site.

http://www.mercurycougar.net/forums/showthread.php?51866-New-to-the-site

ex2409pilot · « **Reply #33 on:** April 13, 2012, 10:00:57 pm »

The car I was commenting on was the yellow one referenced by bosscat40 in the first post and the Hemmings link provided by CaBossFan. Kurt lives about 60 miles west of me in Belleville, Illinois. I first got aquainted with him on the CJ site 3-4 years ago as he has a 70 SCJ too. I am in St.Louis frequently and he invited me by for a look. If anyone is looking for perhaps the best survivor Eliminator on the planet, Kurt's got one.

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