Author Topic: Rare 1970 Boss 302 for Sale!!! (Read 4229 times)

researchtech · « **on:** May 13, 2012, 02:51:16 pm »

I have been testing the market for a while and think I am priced in the correct range for such a rare Boss? Anybody interested in a partial trade please give me a shout!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330732562923&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

noboss · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2012, 03:51:20 pm »

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Looks nice.

researchtech · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2012, 04:41:26 pm »

Thanks Much noboss, I was once a newbie to the Boss registry and I have learned a lot from you and many others over the last almost 6 years and I have had a ton of fun with this car. I hate to say it but I have reached a time where it may be to move on from this very rare and unique Boss. I have done a ton of research and have a bunch of documentation to prove the rarity of this car, it would be great to see it go to a person who would really appreciate it. Thanks Again!!! Mike

mwizz · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2012, 03:21:41 am »

Very nice indeed

Bondovian · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2012, 06:32:52 am »

Really looks nice but i think your about 30K too high. Looking at the recent sales at the Mecum auction in Indy, tells me the current market value of these beautiful cars. I'm sure the market will come back in a few years but sometimes we have to cut our losses and move on. If you don't have to sell, then hold on to it and keep marketing the sale. Sell your car for whatever you can get for it and start an auction company. That's where the money is. The last auction in Tx had over 18 million in sales. whats 20% of that? Anybody that pops out of a cake at an auction, is definitely having a good life!

XB05SX · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:12:30 am »

u seriously think this is worth $58k?

70BossTA · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2012, 08:44:08 am »

I know you have a very nice Boss...I have seen it in person @ a number of shows in our area. But, I agree with Bondovian, I think you missed a prime chance @ Mecum Indy auction over this weekend. Close location, lots of other Bosses, including the 69 Boss 302 feature car. That brings in alot of interest and $$BUYERS. Market is still soft except for Bosses like Ricks, but I do wish you best of luck in your sale......

ex2409pilot · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2012, 09:56:15 am »

I have never seen the Grabber Blue Boss in question so I certainly can't say what it's worth. I will say that if Campbells 69 car is worth 190K or whatever then why couldn't the GB 70 car be worth half that or more? To assert that auctions are a yardstick to measure the market is misguided in my view, unless all the cars for sale are perfect. I was at Mecum on Saturday and looked at the Boss 302's and would have to say I was pretty unimpressed, except for Cambells car, and not too surprised by the prices some brought. You can't judge the market as a whole based on what a car looks like on TV under the lights. Quality of workmanship has to be a factor.

There was a beautiful, from 20 feet, Grabber Blue/White Shelby there that was nothing short of pathetic once you got closer. It looked like the freshman welding class welded the left rear quarter on and then a blind man finished and painted it. I don't remember what it sold for but to say the Shelby market is soft based on what this one brought just ain't right. Okay I'll get off my soapbox but before I do I want to wish researchtech well. I hope you get 150K for your car. Isn't that better for all us owners instead of beating every guys car down that comes up for sale?

70BossTA · « **Reply #8 on:** May 20, 2012, 10:51:16 am »

I was not making any statement on value of his Boss nor using this auction as a yardstick, just saying that he missed a great chance to have potential buyers see the Boss in person. You backed that up with your statement of the quality of the "other" Bosses. I think this one could of done very well based on your post....Owner did state he has been trying to sell it for "some time"......As they say, the market is what it is!!!!
BTW did the Cambell Boss sell?

I just checked the Mecum site and the 69 Boss was a no sale @ $190k bid.......WOW!!!! As was the #1 CandyApple Red Boss9 @ $275K bid....interesting and shows the quality cars do draw the big money, no matter the market.

researchtech · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2012, 07:26:13 pm »

My car guys, I would like to thank the people who have actually seen and complimented my car. I totally agree with your post (ex2409pilot), and for the guys that think my car is worth $58,000, sorry but I have turned down respectable offers for way more. From the interest and offers I am getting I believe the car is now in the correct price range. If anybody can find a car that comes close to the quality and rarity of this car with 18 factory options, numbers matching, rock solid and last day built to compare it to, I say show me. I do not have to sell the car so I can hold my ground as far as price, I may just enjoy the car for another year and then test the market again next year??? I am glad that Rick Campbells car did not sell at 190,000 if you were ever lucky enough to see it you would understand its rarity and value!!! Thanks Much, Mike

ex2409pilot · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2012, 09:07:32 am »

70BossTa, My comment was not directed to you as I would agree with you that considering the other offerings at Mecum reasearchtechs car would have probably done very well but considering the chaos going on at these auctions I can sure see why someone wouldn't want to subject themselves to that hassle even though it might put a few more thousand in your pocket.

The thing that prompted my post has been brewing in my mind for some time and it's something I just can't seem to wrap my mind around why. That thing is, why are some, not all, Boss 302 owners so critical of someone elses car? It seems every time someone posts their car for sale you have a legion of people nit picking that this or that is wrong and saying that car is only worth x having never even seen it in most cases and furthermore Boss 302's just aren't worth significant money anyway.

If every forum I went to I saw the same thing going on I would just write it off as human nature. However, you don't see Boss 9 guys criticising other guys cars, Cobra Jet guys don't do it, Shelby people don't do it. So, it's just perplexing to me to see this happen time after time when it's a Boss 302. I think there should be a way to lock a thread after you've made a post. If one wants to list their car for sale, make up an ad, post it and then lock the thread so folks can't start demeaning your car and price. If someone is so compelled to start criticising a car let them start another thread to do so. My 2 cents.

AussieBosswa · « **Reply #11 on:** May 21, 2012, 09:07:58 am »

Hi Reserchtech,

I know we communicted by PM's before and if my deal fell through, I would have looked at your B2 and we may have done a deal with a trade inclusive. It is a great car and I think it's worth close to the asking price. Good luck with yor sale I hope you get what you are asking.

Regards

The_Dude · « **Reply #12 on:** May 21, 2012, 09:38:04 am »

Quote from: ex2409pilot on May 21, 2012, 09:07:32 am

70BossTa, My comment was not directed to you as I would agree with you that considering the other offerings at Mecum reasearchtechs car would have probably done very well but considering the chaos going on at these auctions I can sure see why someone wouldn't want to subject themselves to that hassle even though it might put a few more thousand in your pocket.

The thing that prompted my post has been brewing in my mind for some time and it's something I just can't seem to wrap my mind around why. That thing is, why are some, not all, Boss 302 owners so critical of someone elses car? It seems every time someone posts their car for sale you have a legion of people nit picking that this or that is wrong and saying that car is only worth x having never even seen it in most cases and furthermore Boss 302's just aren't worth significant money anyway.

If every forum I went to I saw the same thing going on I would just write it off as human nature. However, you don't see Boss 9 guys criticising other guys cars, Cobra Jet guys don't do it, Shelby people don't do it. So, it's just perplexing to me to see this happen time after time when it's a Boss 302. I think there should be a way to lock a thread after you've made a post. If one wants to list their car for sale, make up an ad, post it and then lock the thread so folks can't start demeaning your car and price. If someone is so compelled to start criticising a car let them start another thread to do so. My 2 cents.

:iagree: and made a post complaining about this behavior in another thread. I was immediately trashed by the regulars.

researchtech · « **Reply #13 on:** May 21, 2012, 10:14:41 am »

ex2409pilot, I totally agree with your last post and I think you have a great idea as to locking down the link if wanted. AussieBosswa, I do remember speaking with you and thanks again for your interest and feedback. 70BossTA, thanks for your positive feedback, as I have stated in my earlier post I have been testing the market for a while (since end of last year) as I do not have to sell. Remember I started the pricing on this car at $127,000 so it has taken a while to get to my asking price now. How can you put a price on something that you do not have an equivalent of to compare to? I do believe the car is priced in the correct neighborhood for now!!! I do agree with you that last weeks auction would have been a good one to run the car through but with work and family I just do not have the time. From what I understand with these auctions they say the seller really needs to be there to answer questions and help promote the car. Plus with the cost to run it through the auction, get the car to the auction, hotel, food, + 8% to the house, it is a crap shoot. I am going to try to sell for a bit more on my own, if not in the future when I get some time off of work I may try an auction house. I may (weather permitting) have the car at the upcoming Shelby Club car show at the Ford World Headquarters in Dearborn Mi. on June 3rd if anybody local wants to view it, it is a real nice show!!! Thanks Again, Mike

JohnSlack · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2012, 08:21:41 am »

I think you have priced the car correctly according to it's value.
John

gt350hr · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2012, 11:48:53 am »

What I enjoy is a post where the car isn't OVER stated. Same for the epay listing. "Dealers" often hype them to the moon with flaws that would be obvious to a blind person!
It is YOUR car and YOUR RIGHT to ask what you want!!!!! There's nothing worse than getting a lesser price and then seeing or hearing it sold again for more than your original asking price. Holding the price high (in this case IMHO) is a sign of the quality and nature of this final days built car. Let the "armchair critics" sell "their" cars cheap, this one commands your asking price. There are plenty of $50,000 cars out there with floor pan/quarter/block etc replacements. I hope your sale goes well.
Randy

researchtech · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2012, 05:08:12 pm »

Thanks again guys for the positive feedback, I have relisted the car at its final asking price (last time on e-bay). I have turned down some pretty respectable offers but as I have stated before I do not have to sell (its just that i have done all I wanted to with the car and want to try something different). If you look at N.A.D.A. at the high end with the only option marked for Ram Air it puts the car at around $115,000. Now if you factor in 17 more factory options and numbers matching plus last day build I do not think anybody will get hurt at its current pricing??? Anyways here is the new link, if the car does not sell it will be going on the cars-on-line website. I will continue to drive, show and enjoy the car for this year and either run through a classic car aution or try the market again next year. Thanks Again!!! Mike

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330739951700

Mike G. · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2012, 05:04:05 am »

It has been my experience once you price a car any where north of 50k it becomes a difficult sale, no matter how good the car is. And yours obviously is worthy of your price. It seems most buyers right now think every advertised car is a fire sale. More so I find that certain people really seem to have no idea what quality or provenance cost. Stay strong on your number the right person for your car is out there. Mike G.

AussieBosswa · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2012, 09:02:11 pm »

Good advice Mike.

mgreene · « **Reply #19 on:** June 04, 2012, 07:28:10 am »

Mike, I think the biggest thing holding your car back is that at that price, potential buyers would expect smog setup and Polyglas tires. Oh, and a real yellow top coil

Mike G. · « **Reply #20 on:** June 04, 2012, 08:14:40 am »

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Mike, I think the biggest thing holding your car back is that at that price, potential buyers would expect smog setup and Polyglas tires. Oh, and a real yellow top coil

My car is priced at $68,500.00 and has the complete smog(restored), correct no size Polyglas tires for an early build 70 Boss 302 and a real yellow top coil. Are you thinking of the grabber blue mentioned in this post? Mike G.

AussieBosswa · « **Reply #21 on:** June 04, 2012, 08:28:40 am »

I'd pay $68+ for yours Mike, bloody beauty!

mgreene · « **Reply #22 on:** June 04, 2012, 09:05:02 am »

Quote from: Mike G. on June 04, 2012, 08:14:40 am

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Mike, I think the biggest thing holding your car back is that at that price, potential buyers would expect smog setup and Polyglas tires. Oh, and a real yellow top coil

My car is priced at $68,500.00 and has the complete smog(restored), correct no size Polyglas tires for an early build 70 Boss 302 and a real yellow top coil. Are you thinking of the grabber blue mentioned in this post? Mike G.

Yes, the Grabber Blue one!

Bondovian · « **Reply #23 on:** June 04, 2012, 09:33:47 am »

What I love is when someone says... "I'm testing the market" What? You either want to sell it or you don't. If you are asking more than the market will give, either align your price with the market or take it off the block. A lot of people have more money in their car that what they can get out of it right now. Keep it and enjoy it, will it to you children or sell it at current market prices... those are the only choices i see. Testing the market is like saying.."hey, my car is for sale but maybe not" I can't decide right now. Is there such a thing as a tire kicker seller?

noboss · « **Reply #24 on:** June 04, 2012, 03:38:45 pm »

Mike I thought you sold your Boss?

Mike G. · « **Reply #25 on:** June 04, 2012, 04:34:22 pm »

Earl, so did I. That kind of explains my post on the subject. Too many jerk jobs out there. Mine lasted just about 3 months. The guy invested 1750.00 in a phone then an on site inspection with a Boss expert. The "EXPERT" claims my car needed 7500.00 in repairs to an oil pan, transmission and rear end leaks. Funny how he could not justify this to the buyer with any pictures. It should go back to him "the expert" to be fixed before the new owner should take ownership. You would think an inspection costing that much would include pictures, but hey I am not the "expert".
The car is supposed to appear in next months Mustang magazine so I will try once more then.
Sorry to divert this post. Mike G.

researchtech · « **Reply #26 on:** June 04, 2012, 04:56:01 pm »

My gosh guys, I say testing the market as I do not have to sell. Yes the car has been upgraded to the petronix ignition, polyglass tires look great but do not handle like radials and I drive my car (it does have the original Magnums on it, how many have those). Smog, again I drive my car and back in the day it was the first thing that was taken off, $1,000 puts it back on if you really want it and I can put it on myself. Anybody that has (many have) ever seen the car would see the value and for anybody that has not I can pick you up at the airport. Thanks Again!!! Mike

qukb2 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 05, 2012, 04:29:23 am »

Do you have the correct shaker base for your car?

researchtech · « **Reply #28 on:** June 05, 2012, 07:15:24 am »

Thats the base it had when I bought it 6 years ago, I was told it is the original and I also know it is a 428 base. Being built the last day maybe they ran out of 302 bases and being that the 428 is the same size wise that is how it was built??? My guess would be it was swapped out somewhere in its 42 years and 86,000 miles. I have spoke with everybody that has owned the car and the one owners son (father died). The car is a documented ram air car that I do know for sure.

The_Dude · « **Reply #29 on:** June 05, 2012, 10:57:30 am »

Quote from: Bondovian on June 04, 2012, 09:33:47 am

Testing the market is like saying.."hey, my car is for sale but maybe not" I can't decide right now. Is there such a thing as a tire kicker seller?

Not really. It's more like saying, "My car is for sale for X amount. If you want it, this is what it will cost you". I really can't see anything wrong with that.

Boss302Fan · « **Reply #30 on:** June 06, 2012, 06:16:14 am »

Your car will sell, just be patient....

Skreamr · « **Reply #31 on:** June 06, 2012, 07:49:56 pm »

Quote from: Mike G. on June 04, 2012, 04:34:22 pm

The car is supposed to appear in next months Mustang magazine so I will try once more then.
Sorry to divert this post. Mike G.

Mike just got the July issue of Mustang Monthly your car is in there, its a very nice write-up on it. Congrats !!!!
...........keep it !

-Jim

Mike G. · « **Reply #32 on:** June 07, 2012, 04:44:48 am »

Jim I heard it was coming. Thanks for the great news. I do love it but am ready to dive into another Boss! Just have to find one. Mike G.

6T9BOSS · « **Reply #33 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:27:26 am »

This is a tough crowd when you go to sell and many will pick one apart. It's a two edge sword to me....on the one hand it's good to get a critical view of a car if you want a "perfect" car. On the other hand the critic does lend itself to coming off as bashing and sounding as if the only BOSS's worth anything or owning are the "Perfect"ones.
I also think that same mentality is throughout the hot rod industry and that's why rat rodding has become popular as a shove back to the "tea and crumpet crowd".

NZnoboss · « **Reply #34 on:** June 14, 2012, 07:02:44 pm »

Quote from: 6T9BOSS on June 13, 2012, 03:27:26 am

This is a tough crowd when you go to sell and many will pick one apart. It's a two edge sword to me....on the one hand it's good to get a critical view of a car if you want a "perfect" car. On the other hand the critic does lend itself to coming off as bashing and sounding as if the only BOSS's worth anything or owning are the "Perfect"ones.
I also think that same mentality is throughout the hot rod industry and that's why rat rodding has become popular as a shove back to the "tea and crumpet crowd".

Lets hope that people don't start fitting lake pipes to their bosses again as a sign of defiance against the concourse crew

Some people on here have been described as bashing a car, and in a few cases that may be true. Generally, I've found that if a car is listed on here, and is fully and accurately described, it doesn't get trashed. The problem is the 'oversellers' that list 'fully restored' cars with black sprayed undercarriages and aftermarket speed equipment fitted for $90k+. Then the flood gates open on them!
If Mike G's car is listed at 68K, and I see another 70 Boss that 'looks' just as nice for similar money, then I'd really appreciate the guys on here with the knowledge, posting what is wrong with it.
The perfect ones are a reference point, so we need the reference to be accurate, and the guys with the knowledge are upholding that reference point.
Cheers,
Bob.

gt350hr · « **Reply #35 on:** June 14, 2012, 07:51:56 pm »

NZnoboss,
It's kind of a double edged sword. "Some" owners bust their butts ( and wallets) to restore a car to "assembly line" condition only to be dissapointend with the performance ( same problem in '69-70 that led to modifications) or don't want to compromise the restoration by driving them. Beautiful cars are the result that almost become "dust collectors" like the trophies they earn. I FULLY respect and admire the work and finished vehicles but honestly wouldn't own something I couldn't drive to enjoy.
"Other" owners make them to suit their taste and driving enjoyment despite a slightly lesser value on the car. I think it's because I grew up in this era that I enjoy ( and own) "day 2" type Mustangs. I'm very nostalgic and try only to do "period" (minor not major) modifications that could easily be reversed by a subsequent owner. Nothing I own could ever win a concours ( well maybe the F350 car hauler as a survivor) but I am smart enough to not enter them in one knowing I don't have a chance against those beautifuly restored cars.
I agree 100% it is important to "suggest" short commings on cars offered for critiquing. Trouble is most owners see it as "bashing". Most of the trouble "IMHO" only comes from sellers that are lesser informed or simply overhype a car with obvious short commings.
Randy

NZnoboss · « **Reply #36 on:** June 14, 2012, 08:59:46 pm »

gt350hr we're on the same wavelength

I have absolutely nothing against modified cars, in fact, like you, I'd rather own one that's to my tastes, such as the Grabber Orange '69 that was sold recently. That looked like a great car in the pictures, but fortunately there were some people here that had looked at it closely and offered their findings. It had some issues and the guy that bought it did so being informed. It's still a great car, and the buyer knew what he was getting. He paid a price he was happy with, and you can't get better than that

Oh, and Mike G, I think your car is an absolute steal at 68k.
Cheers,
Bob.

Mike G. · « **Reply #37 on:** June 15, 2012, 04:37:27 am »

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Oh, and Mike G, I think your car is an absolute steal at 68k.
Cheers,
Bob

Thanks Bob. I hope the buyer though so too. By the way my car might LOOK like a show car and I treated it with respect, but I drove that car every where it went and put on at least 4k miles since the restoration. Includes driving 2 trips out of state. Not that any one was implying anything else but I am a firm believer on driving them and enjoying them. I just chose the look of day 1 for my first resto. Cheers, Mike G.

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Author Topic: Rare 1970 Boss 302 for Sale!!! (Read 4229 times)