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I am assuming the answer is no, but did the 69 Boss 429 get functional quarter scoops, as seen on this car?

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The side scoops are right but not functional.  Many people in the board have known this car for some time.  It is coming out of a collection in Florida, nice car.
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The Boss 9 cars have the side scoops on the '69's, unlike the Boss 302's where they were deleted.  This car sure looks complete!
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For that much money, it appears to not have a factory Ford radiator?!
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What pictures are you viewing?  The photo on Mecum's website, accessible directly via the link provided in the original poster's inquiry, clearly show what appears to me to be a very well executed restoration with the correct C8ZE-L1 radiator.

Like Jeremy said, the car is well known among many of the Forum members.
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The Boss 9 cars have the side scoops on the '69's, unlike the Boss 302's where they were deleted.  This car sure looks complete!

 I know all 69 Boss 9's came with the side quarter scoops. I was just questioning this particular 69 Boss 9, as someone must have ditched the factory block off plastic cover (unlike the factory block off plastic plate found on all 69 Fastback models - Of course excluding the 69 Boss 302's) and added some sort of "mesh" to replace the stock piece, and making it a somewhat functional side scoop - which was something I wish ford would have done to at least their Performance Modeled Mustangs - unlike most of the simulated scoops found on the 69 & 70 Fastback Mustangs. Looks great, and of course the car does too. :)

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That *is* the factory piece.


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What pictures are you viewing?  The photo on Mecum's website, accessible directly via the link provided in the original poster's inquiry, clearly show what appears to me to be a very well executed restoration with the correct C8ZE-L1 radiator.

Like Jeremy said, the car is well known among many of the Forum members.

OK, my question is based on these photos : Here is the one from Mecum's site :



Notice the thicker "sculpting" on the top tank to the right and the lack of the FoMoCo stamp.  Compare to this pic:



With the more common evenly sized "sculpting" on the tanks and the readily apparent FoMoCo stamping on the tank.
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That *is* the factory piece.

and 70 Mustang FB did not have simulated scoops. It is only a 69 non Boss 302 thing.
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What pictures are you viewing?  The photo on Mecum's website, accessible directly via the link provided in the original poster's inquiry, clearly show what appears to me to be a very well executed restoration with the correct C8ZE-L1 radiator.

Like Jeremy said, the car is well known among many of the Forum members.

OK, my question is based on these photos : Here is the one from Mecum's site :



Notice the thicker "sculpting" on the top tank to the right and the lack of the FoMoCo stamp.  Compare to this pic:



With the more common evenly sized "sculpting" on the tanks and the readily apparent FoMoCo stamping on the tank.

I don't know the Mecum car,but the original rad in KK1824 has the FOMOCO logo as seen in the pic you posted

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The Mecum pic is of the car listed in the first post in this thread - follow the link and look at the pics to the right.
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The Mecum pic is of the car listed in the first post in this thread - follow the link and look at the pics to the right.

To the right of what ?
I already agreed the pic off the Mecum site does not match what at least one original Boss 429 rad  looked like
But then again I can only speak for KK1824
The Mecum car being an earlier Boss 429 could have had a different rad
In any case it is a beautiful example of the Marque

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mgreene:  You have a sharp eye.  Thanks for setting me straight.  When I read the words "appears to not have a factory Ford radiator" my brain was thinking "aftermarket" radiator, like an aluminum radiator from Griffin or Walker, I was not thinking about the possibility of a 'reproduction' radiator.  There definitely are differences in the stiffener ribs in the top tank compared to the OEM factory FoMoCo radiator in KK 2049.  And, also as you mentioned, there does not appear to be a FoMoCo logo embossed in the stiffener rib to the driver's side of the filler neck.  Also, the finger guard looks like it does not fit the tank properly.


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Rich, that was my observation, not gt40tt's  :)
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mgreene is correct & whoever restored the rad got the wrong top tank but c8ze-l # on strap is on the rh side like it should & also they forgot the 2 top screws as I calledwilson today to try & correct several items I seen looking at photos as the car has been in MN last few years being worked on.

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That *is* the factory piece.

Then to go back to my first post/question. Are you saying the Boss 429 did not get the factory plastic  block off (i.e - fake scoop/vent) in the quarter panel scoops, like all other 69 Fastback models?

That *is* the factory piece.

and 70 Mustang FB did not have simulated scoops. It is only a 69 non Boss 302 thing.


Maybe I should have worded it differently. It was not directed to the 69 only (non- Boss 302) quarter panel scoops. It was in regards to all of the simulated scoop/vents found on the 69 & 70 Mustang. Would you consider a 70 Boss 429 to have functional headlight bucket vents/scoops? Or how about a 70 Mach 1 non-ram air, with the turn signal hood scoop? The hood scoops and headlight bucket openings were in no way considered functional, and were purely a cosmetic item. The Ford Mustang is very notorious for this. I have heard of some early production 69 Mach 1 Non-Ram Air cars that got holes in the hood, allowing the hood scoop to be functional, but was later cancelled due to production costs.
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Eric, that is the same exact piece all '69 cars have in that scoop.  Is that clear enough for you?  They all have the plastic mesh, it's not a Boss 9 thing.  That is exactly what all '69 cars have in the side scoops.
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The mesh looking inserts are cast / pot metal painted black. I have never run into any plastic versions.

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Eric, that is the same exact piece all '69 cars have in that scoop.  Is that clear enough for you?  They all have the plastic mesh, it's not a Boss 9 thing.  That is exactly what all '69 cars have in the side scoops.

Jeremy,

  Thanks for being that someone who finally gave me a "simple" reply to my initial question in my first post. Its disappointing when a simple question turns into some sort of debate of someones knowledge. This forum is a tool for members to help each other out. I have seen, and dis-mantled plenty of 69 Fastbacks/Mach 1's etc. to know what the side vents look like, but I've never owned or taken apart a Boss 429, and always love to find out all the little different things Kar Kraft did to these cars.

So I'll ask you, Jeremy. Do the scoops on this black Boss 9 look factory to you, compared to the photos I posted below? To me, they look like an actual see through "mesh" grille, with a different pattern than the usual ones I've seen and removed over the years. Maybe its just the picture, or maybe I need to have my eyes checked.....

Regardless I'll leave this topic alone, so we can keep the focus on the sale of this car (Which is in the wrong forum).  :-*

To end this with a comparison, and why I brought it up to begin with.

These look like they have an actual see through mesh grille, with a diamond shaped pattern (like chicken wire mesh).


Original non-functional original 69 side vent/scoop insert. Now compare the two. The patterns look different to me. The vents on the Boss nine look to have a diamond shaped pattern, where the insert shown below seem to have more of an oval shaped pattern.




Again, I'm sorry for bringing up a simple question that I was honestly curious about.
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Eric, Since I started this post, I have to agree that it's been a bit railroaded, but that's part of the fun of forums. The vent insert in the picture from the featured car looks factory to me, you can see the detail of the raised lip around the perimeter of the simulated mesh, it looks just like the one on my Boss9 (simulated).  I wholeheartedly agree with you about the information gained on this forum and some of the mindless banter that goes on, but since joining this group I have learned a lot of useful information.  I think it's not your eyes, but the resolution on your computer giving you the appearance of "see thru mesh".
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Eric, Since I started this post, I have to agree that it's been a bit railroaded, but that's part of the fun of forums. The vent insert in the picture from the featured car looks factory to me, you can see the detail of the raised lip around the perimeter of the simulated mesh, it looks just like the one on my Boss9 (simulated).  I wholeheartedly agree with you about the information gained on this forum and some of the mindless banter that goes on, but since joining this group I have learned a lot of useful information.  I think it's not your eyes, but the resolution on your computer giving you the appearance of "see thru mesh".

I agree. As for the resolution on my computer, it must be way off - because the patterns look completely different from each other. I'm heading to Best Buy now, to get me a 30" Screen Apple desktop! lol :)
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Yes, looks right/original to me, maybe just a bit of an illusion in the picture.
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Yes, looks right/original to me, maybe just a bit of an illusion in the picture.

Maybe. Regardless, thanks to everyone for answering my question on my curiousity on this particular part for the Boss 429's.
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Could somebody please post a price if and when it trades next weekend?
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For that much money, it appears to not have a factory Ford radiator?!

It's not uncommon for cars to win MCA awards then be stripped of their orig./nos parts before heading to auction.

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Interesting comment sohcammer....see, you learn something every day on this forum!  Hey Mr. cammer...do you know Butch Englebrecht here in San Diego?
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Actually, the radiator wouldn't keep it from winning an MCA award...not even sure it would lose a point for that as reproduction parts are allowed.  But the comment about parts being stripped before auction is a very common (unfortunate) practice, if you're going to advertise the car as an award winner especially if you give it's show score, then the buyer should be buying the car with all of the parts that it scored with at the show...not parts that were borrowed or rented for the weekend.
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Jeremy---That would be called fraud. Statue of limitations on fraud is 7 years after the fraud had been detected. Anybody that commits fraud would have a long time to keep looking to be caught.
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I was away at SAAC.
If this car sold does anyone know the price?
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When I owned KK1383 I can tell you it was a very solid no rust car, I had it completely apart, and it was in great shape. A very nice car.
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It sold after mecum & is in south FL.