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Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« on: July 10, 2014, 05:51:02 pm »
http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1969-Ford-Boss-9/81041

Finished in Royal Maroon, NASCAR KK #1225, is the 11th priority-built car and retains its complete numbers matching drivetrain. KK 1225 also retains its original sheet metal including hand-modified shock-towers, fenders, and rear quarter panels. Its provenance is unparalleled: 3 factory build sheets, 2 factory invoices, a window sticker by Kevin Marti, Kar-Kraft internal shipping logs, Ford internal engine build-sheet from the Lima engine plant, personal correspondence from Ford historian Louis Eminger, Ford 999 reporting, and Deluxe Marti Reports (2). The Boss includes authentically recreated chalk markings and other unique details of early-production Boss 429s. As such, KK 1225 stands as one of the earliest and most documented 1969 Boss 429s ever offered for public sale.

Does anyone have more details on this one?
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2014, 09:55:14 pm »
I have this car at my shop right now. Its a very nice no storys early Boss 429


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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2014, 11:19:12 pm »
Looks sensational
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 07:53:24 pm »
I have this car at my shop right now.

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Why?
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 10:28:08 pm »
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 04:49:50 am »
Come on Scott, it just doesn't look like the car needs any refinishing...let's play nice.  I don't understand why they left the slats on it when it was restored, nice looking car either way.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 09:19:38 am »
Come on Scott, it just doesn't look like the car needs any refinishing...let's play nice. 

My mother always said "you catch more bees with honey."
Like Jeremy said "play nice."

A few of us who have Boss9's were just wondering why the car would be there.
Nothing more nothing less.

If that doesn't answer your question maybe this will.

A. The car looks fully restored and your shop doesn't have any experience with Boss9's whatsoever,...so we were wondering why it's there.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 11:17:48 am »
Just so I'm out of this fight...I am not questioning your shops ability to work on a Boss 9.
Please register your car:  http://www.boss302.com/boss9reg.htm


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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 05:38:34 pm »
Come on Scott, it just doesn't look like the car needs any refinishing...let's play nice. 

My mother always said "you catch more bees with honey."
Like Jeremy said "play nice."

A few of us who have Boss9's were just wondering why the car would be there.
Nothing more nothing less.

If that doesn't answer your question maybe this will.

A. The car looks fully restored and your shop doesn't have any experience with Boss9's whatsoever,...so we were wondering why it's there.

LOL!  I like that... "you catch more bees with honey"... while coming off like an Elitist Jerk.

I'm just wondering, does it take a special shop to clean and dust a Boss9 for auction?  What if you just want to store one while it waits for auction?

...sorry.  Now I'm the one being a Jerk  :-\
« Last Edit: July 15, 2014, 05:49:30 pm by mike_b_svt »
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2014, 06:21:47 pm »
Well let me address your comments Godzilla:

My mother always said "you catch more bees with honey."

I am not trying to catch any Bee’s

Like Jeremy said "play nice."

I am not playing,

A few of us who have Boss9's were just wondering why the car would be there.

Really, did other Boss 9 owners call you and ask you to inquire as to “why” we have the car?

Nothing more nothing less.

The car is in our care at the request of R & S.

If that doesn't answer your question maybe this will.

A. The car looks fully restored and your shop doesn't have any experience with Boss9's whatsoever,...so we were wondering why it's there.

Well I didn’t realize you knew anything about our qualifications concerning working on, building, fixing etc. Boss 429 cars…………… Ken Maisano has extensive experience building Boss 429 Motors and the Mascar Shop has worked on several Boss 429 cars………but since you know so much about us, I am sure you knew that and were just joking.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2014, 07:49:10 pm »
I have read this thread with interest and amusement.  It is rather apparent that effective communication skills would go a long way in avoiding comments that could possibly be taken as offensive, or, on the other hand, condescending.  “He who throws dirt looses ground.”

Here is my thoughts on the whole deal.  Idylboss begins a thread on the Forum about an early edition BOSS 429 being offered at an auction sale, posts the auction hype about the BOSS and inquires if anyone has more details to offer.

He is inquiring because he has a genuine interest and desire to know all that he reasonably can about this particular BOSS 429 and in the end, about BOSS 429 Mustangs in general.

Nadine informs us that the BOSS is at his shop, and that the BOSS is very nice and there are no stories to tell.  Apparently, there are no skeletons hidden in a closet somewhere.  This is very much a positive comment about the BOSS.

mwizz comments that the car looks sensational.  And it does, for sure.

Godzilla inquires of Nadine, “Why”

Our culture’s current tendency to abbreviate our communications to the extreme creates problems.  Problems begin with our audience’s understanding of our intent.

I am reminded of an old quotation:  “I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, BUT, I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

Godzilla is inquiring to learn more about the reason this BOSS 429 is currently at MASCAR.  He wants to know if improvements are being made, or some sort of detailing, or mechanical repairs, or perhaps other reasons, including simply ‘storing’ or caring for the BOSS for a while.  This is a legitimate inquiry.  The door has been opened by Nadine, and Godzilla peeked in.  The only problem is, he did not articulate his inquiry in a manner designed to reduce ire.  Someone got their hackles up a tad, because of their personal interpretation of Godzilla’s abbreviated inquiry.

The reply “Why not” does nothing to squelch the misunderstanding, and leads to it further by essentially “throwing fuel on the fire.”

Nadine’s ‘letting the cat out of the bag’ by informing the world that this BOSS was at his shop, to me, is an open invitation to all to stop by MASCAR and view the car, if one so desires.  But Nadine may not have meant that at all.  I don’t know his reasons for informing the world that this BOSS was located at his shop.  It is either simply for informational purposes to the BOSS community, or he is pounding his chest very loudly, and in public.

Jeremy attempts to “put oil on the water” to calm things down, to no avail.

Godzilla does come back and rephrase his initial inquiry, and he does it reasonably well.  I certainly do not see this as “coming off as an elitist jerk” at all, however, his closing comment wherein he makes a statement about MASCAR’s expertise is unwarranted and oversteps the rules of etiquette.

By the way... the old English proverb is:  “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.”

Let’s strive to eliminate the “piss and vinegar,” at least on the BOSS 429 side of the Forum.  We are all above that type of mentality.

I am reminded of another proverb:  “Girls compete, women empower one another.”  Men should do so, as well.

Mike, thank you for editing your post.  You are quite the gentleman, my friend.


Rich 
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2014, 12:24:21 am »
Well put Rich.

It is easy to misinterpret text and assume the worst.  I'm reminded of a quote that someone at work has written on the white-board in their cubicle:  "Assume lack of malice"


Back on topic...

Is KK1225 available for viewing at Mascar?  If so, would a person need to scedule an appointment?

Also, is there a photo library of some sort for this car that might be available for others who are looking for restoration details?

It is way out of my league, but I thought I would try to post some educated and hopefully relevant questions :-)
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2014, 08:37:36 am »
Rich,Very well said my friend!!! The Boss was put on display at the Russo and Steel auction in Newport Ca. Drew, who is the owner of R&S and a expert on these cars. He has one in his  living room of his house. Knows Me and Mascar very well and asked me to put my eyes and ears on the  car.
This is a real 100% numbers matching,orignal sheet metal car that's coming out of a very high end collection. And has never been horded around. If your looking for a very early priority car with tons of Documentation and No story's this is the car. There are Many sectioned, pieced together, Boss 249s hitting the streets. Not this one, This car is for the collector the only expects the Very Best in his Collection.So if your that guy,you're more that welcome to come to my shop. I will put it on a lift and allow you to give it a full inspection.But no lookie lews please. We are very busy working with some amazing clients with some very special cars.

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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2014, 10:39:23 am »
Kenny:  Thank you for clarifying the background of this BOSS and your role in this upcoming opportunity.  And yes, this is the type of information the inquiring minds of the members of the Forum want to know.  And there are several of us in that category.  Thanks again.

Rich
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 05:48:08 pm »
Are you guys having fun corresponding with each other?

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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 06:34:34 pm »
Looks like a nice car. Good luck with the sale.

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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2014, 07:47:49 pm »
Looks like Team Air bought a few more friends.
All air & NO NET.   They will have fun dusting it.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2014, 07:48:34 pm »
Looks like a nice car. Good luck with the sale.


Yes.  Nice looking 429.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2014, 08:26:59 am »
Looks like Team Air bought a few more friends.
All air & NO NET.   They will have fun dusting it.

Another brilliant comment by MaverickGT well done you really got me with that one, whatever it means.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2014, 01:02:53 pm »
Looks like Team Air bought a few more friends.
All air & NO NET.   They will have fun dusting it.

LOL!  I'd say we should all chip in for MaverickGT to take a class on tact and manners, but I really don't think it would help.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2014, 01:29:45 pm »
Yeah, he told us years ago: "And Maverick doesnt need your advice,.......Thank You very much."

There is an ancient maxim:  "A wise man doesn't need advice and fools won't heed advice."  I wonder which category best describes Maverick?  Oh, logic tells us that he must be a wise man.  At least, he apparently did learn some manners.

His moniker says it all:  maverick:  1mav·er·ick noun \ˈmav-rik, ˈma-vÉ™-\
A person who refuses to follow the customs or rules of a group.
One that refuses to abide by the dictates of or resists adherence to a group; a dissenter.

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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2014, 08:39:15 pm »
Hah, the entertainment value makes me shake my head and smile at the same time.
It appears to be a nice job.  Royal maroon is my color of preference, it looks so rich.
Now thats garage art right there!

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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2014, 09:34:40 pm »
That's why it was called Royal  Maroon. Rich and Royal go together.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2014, 04:53:20 am »
Frank, have you painted the trim of your building royal maroon??
You sure are a sick man!
It looks great on your car though ;)
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2014, 10:23:27 am »
The building is a neighboring business. My wife thought it would be a good background for a picture. Thanks!
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2014, 08:23:06 pm »
What a great car !!!!

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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2014, 02:48:46 pm »
Looks like it sold for  $401,500.


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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2014, 02:54:04 pm »
Thanks, Frank.  I was wondering about that.


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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2014, 03:15:39 pm »
You are more than welcome Rich
I couldn't find a way to get the results and then I got an email from Russo that said the Boss 429 and a Mercedes were the high sellers yesterday and gave the prices.
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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2014, 08:51:17 pm »
I was at montery & inspected this car again since it had been worked on since I looked at it 15 or so years ago for the guy who sold it at RS & my guy ended up buying it for a premium $ considering incorrect & missing parts & car needs totally restored for a concours resto but is driver quality now & was shocked it bid that high & wasn't there when it sold over the PH. as I left after inspecting a hemi cuda & pantera at mecum then working on a 70 b9 survivor north of SF.  Had to get back home only to find out my mom passed away before I got back in time. She was ok when I left but took a turn for the worst in just 1 day she died & we were all shocked & not prepared for it & had to get all 10 brothers & sisters together for a funeral & a very sad day for all as she was well liked & had non stop line of people till the place closed & I stood for 7 hours straight greeting visitors & that's a tough long day.  So I am back to getting caught up & starting to find parts to make  kk1225 back 100% correct as new owner is serious about getting it corrected since it is a very good boss having a lot going for it besides the earliest marron b9 known to exist having a rust-free straight body with all original tags & papers & early car features.

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Re: Russo and Steele selling KK1225
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2014, 09:12:49 pm »
Sorry for your loss Ed

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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2014, 03:30:07 pm »
I was at montery & inspected this car again since it had been worked on since I looked at it 15 or so years ago for the guy who sold it at RS & my guy ended up buying it for a premium $ considering incorrect & missing parts & car needs totally restored for a concours resto but is driver quality now & was shocked it bid that high......   So I am back to getting caught up & starting to find parts to make  kk1225 back 100% correct as new owner is serious about getting it corrected......

Very interesting.
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