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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2015, 06:28:08 am »
That is a serious project!
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2015, 06:57:44 am »
a lot more opportunity to salvage this car over the one pulled from the bottom of the Bermuda triangle last month. Shock towers front frame rails, firewall, rad support all look good

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2015, 07:59:36 am »
and its rust free .   Its easier & cheaper to restore a 70 over a 69 as much less unique parts.

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2015, 02:48:27 pm »
My worthless two cents--
I would leave it as a race car. Quite possibly has some good race history? No need to restore another boring correct car..just me.
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2015, 03:01:00 pm »
Spoken like a true hot rodder. I agree crossboss.
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2015, 04:52:55 pm »
Might be my fast path to B9 again ;-)

Would have to put the brakes back on the front I think!

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2015, 05:52:46 pm »
Its a long road back to original... id be inclined also to restore it back to its history. my first thought is not exactly a bargain at $75k but... B9 projects are pretty few and far between these days!

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2015, 06:28:12 pm »
and its rust free .   Its easier & cheaper to restore a 70 over a 69 as much less unique parts.

Hi Guys,
my first post after looking at this site for months
As my user name states I want a Z code so Ed,can you help with some details as to why a 70 vs a 69 would be easier to restore
Thanks

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2015, 08:11:34 pm »
and its rust free .   Its easier & cheaper to restore a 70 over a 69 as much less unique parts.

Hi Guys,
my first post after looking at this site for months
As my user name states I want a Z code so Ed,can you help with some details as to why a 70 vs a 69 would be easier to restore
Thanks

Fewer unique parts means cheaper to restore.
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2015, 08:53:31 pm »
Thanks FIJI99.
I get that that just looking for some specific parts to look for.
I am looking at several 70 and 69 Boss 429's listed for sale on the internet and appreciate any input that leads me to real cars with a minmnum of aftermarket parts

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2015, 11:51:42 pm »
for one thing 70 mustang original parts are not as in demand as 69 since 69 market competes with the Shelby market & almost 5 times more 69 mustangs than 70 so many more 69s being restored.  But in the b9 world 70s had more regular assembly line parts installed at Dearborn since most of the 70 suspension was same as 70 b2 & no kkx parts on 70 b9. 

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2015, 06:57:32 am »
for one thing 70 mustang original parts are not as in demand as 69 since 69 market competes with the Shelby market & almost 5 times more 69 mustangs than 70 so many more 69s being restored.  But in the b9 world 70s had more regular assembly line parts installed at Dearborn since most of the 70 suspension was same as 70 b2 & no kkx parts on 70 b9.

OK,
I can see I have a lot to learn before making any choices as to year of car I would be interested in.Although the 69 with the side scoops and 4 headlights really sets them off. But aren't the 70's more in demand due to the low number of them made
Just for openers what exactly are the "kkx" parts you refer to

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2015, 08:13:38 am »
kkx id parts are unique 69 boss 429 only installed at kar kraft plant & if missing very hard to find.  generally 69 b9s bring more $ because of difficaulty in restoring them& the price of parts.  even thou there are more 69s than 70s  the 69s being first built had more of them changed into racecars than 70s. so finding a 70 that has been unmolested is easier than finding a unmolested 69 b9 so 70 b9 racecars are a rare find .   I think the early 69 b9s having more unique parts & more history & having a 428 scj drivetrain in them when delivered at KK before being yanked out makes the most valuable.    But there are some 70s that I think are more valuable than some69s depending on 70 color combo GG-GO-CC- with the white interior are very rare & very desirable color combos & then there are the rare 70 pastels color b9s with only 2 pastel/white cars built & both still exist & then there is the RARE 69 b9 silver jade (painted by mistake)only one.

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2015, 11:13:15 am »
I can't tell by looking at the pictures if it has the original front spindles.  Lol, nevermind, I forgot that 70's didn't have the unique spindles like 69's.
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2015, 08:17:35 am »
kkx id parts are unique 69 boss 429 only installed at kar kraft plant & if missing very hard to find.  generally 69 b9s bring more $ because of difficaulty in restoring them& the price of parts.  even thou there are more 69s than 70s  the 69s being first built had more of them changed into racecars than 70s. so finding a 70 that has been unmolested is easier than finding a unmolested 69 b9 so 70 b9 racecars are a rare find .   I think the early 69 b9s having more unique parts & more history & having a 428 scj drivetrain in them when delivered at KK before being yanked out makes the most valuable.    But there are some 70s that I think are more valuable than some69s depending on 70 color combo GG-GO-CC- with the white interior are very rare & very desirable color combos & then there are the rare 70 pastels color b9s with only 2 pastel/white cars built & both still exist & then there is the RARE 69 b9 silver jade (painted by mistake)only one.

Setting aside the color issue for the time how would one without yours or someone elses expert eyes identify the kkx parts ?
Is there a published list of the parts unique to a 69 Boss 429 or the 70's
I ask because in seeking a car I am not looking for a finished trailered  car but rather one that has been sitting around or hiding in a garage somewhere. And when I inspect it I would want a better idea of what is actually missing. Not the obvious stuff like smog etc but the smaller more obscure parts that give true authenticity.
As you said it is more likely that a 69 was raced and perhaps some of the parts had gone missing.

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2015, 12:36:51 pm »
wantazcode:  This is a list of most of the unique parts found on the 1969 and the 1970 model year Ford BOSS 429 Mustang Special Performance Vehicle.

http://www.mariettascientific.com/boss/images/Boss9PartsList.pdf

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2015, 01:00:02 pm »
wantazcode:  This is a list of most of the unique parts found on the 1969 and the 1970 model year Ford BOSS 429 Mustang Special Performance Vehicle.

http://www.mariettascientific.com/boss/images/Boss9PartsList.pdf

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Perfect !
That is exactly what I am looking for

Thanks Rich

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2015, 09:01:36 pm »
sweet project,I wish I had the spair cash.I've got a great motor that's looking for a body,607 Jon Kasse Prostock Hemi. 0-well I love dreaming.

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2015, 06:20:19 pm »
    Ed , You mention the silver jade car , which is going to be at the Chicago Show in November. What is some of the history behind the car and how did it become a mistake ? Steve

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2015, 04:51:42 am »
The Silver Jade car has an initial invoice showing it as Raven Black and a door tag with paint code A for Raven Black but the second invoice shows it as Silver Jade and all of the areas of the car that weren't painted red by the previous owner have original Silver Jade paint.  There is no Raven Black paint on the car nor was there ever.  So somewhere along the line at Ford a mistake was made and this car left as Silver Jade instead of Raven Black.
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2015, 09:16:59 am »
this odd b9 has been in co. its whole life being sent there a year afterit was built june 1970 or so & ford finaced as I think ford was just trying to get rid of leftover cars at KK plant after shutting it down.  Since kk plant wasn't set up to repaint entire car & being a unique b9 body with b9 shock towers ford couldn't switch this car over to a b2  -mach1 - or 69 Shelby so after arriving at kk plant in a non b9 color it just sat around till ford cleaned house there.  I had been to Denver many times over the years & got to know bob becker who lives there & has several b9s & keeps track of them in that area & at last count he knew of 30 or so in co..  He told me that when he looked at a 69 red painted b9 he saw greenish paint in trunk area that looked like it was there originally & the owner said when he got the car it was green & he didn't like it so he painted it red years ago & he never got a mati report or an invoice as he didn't care about any of that as he was more of a gearhead car guy who was a street racer type. So I flew out to co. & looked the car over & checked all the serial #s & when we got marti papers & invoices they said first built black but second invoice says silver jade so there was a mistake at Dearborn plant.  What is odd is that the owner never checked the door tag color A black & choose to repaint it black (being a desirable b9 color) & painted it red instead since it was his favorite color.  We had to get him a real red b9 to trade + pay for a new paint job + extra $ to boot to do the deal done.  hard to say what this b9 is worth really since it wasn't special ordered silver jade just mistakenly painted that way & not even close to looking black. Maybe there was a silver jade mach1 in front of this b9 & just before going into paint got yanked out of line or something. Just guessing of course :)

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2015, 11:42:33 am »
   Interesting history. Look forward to seeing it in November. Thanks

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2015, 01:45:58 pm »
where did you see the silver jade car will be in Chicago as there are other cars in front of it waiting to be finished?

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2015, 05:42:39 pm »
  Ed, When we were at the previous Chicago show in November they made an announcement that they would have the silver jade car on display in 2015. I didn't know at the time that it was in your shop. Steve

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2015, 06:39:23 pm »
who made that announcement as that's news to me?

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2015, 11:53:48 am »
Neat car in that color. I remember hearing the story from Bob. Like Ed said,..it's hard to put a value on it but I think in the end I'd rather own a black one.
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2015, 11:58:20 am »
I was glad I could help the owner get that car because he really likes Silver Jade, fortunately I got the call on the red car that he used for trade at the same time so we were able to make the deal happen. Bob Becker was a huge help and of course Ed doing the inspections.  I couldn't bring myself to buy a Silver Jade car as it's not my color of choice so I was happy to pass it along to Mason.  Excited to see it whenever it gets done.
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2015, 06:16:41 pm »
Does anyone know if that B9 drag car ever sold?

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2015, 08:26:09 pm »
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2015, 09:43:32 am »
Does anyone know where it went?  I have a bored/stroked HP429 Holman-Moody engine that would work well in that car!
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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2015, 10:05:23 am »
back to ca.

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Re: 70 B9 ex drag car project KK 2543
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2017, 04:42:40 pm »
Here is a photo of KK 2543 that I took this morning at our monthly Cars & Coffee:



The owner also has the original BOSS 429 motor and it is currently being rebuilt.