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Offline BOSSHEMI

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Raven Black 69
« on: September 19, 2016, 01:17:25 pm »
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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 06:17:37 pm »

Offline ed meyer

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 08:57:25 pm »
march build & mag valve covers falls in line  but kk1829 door sticker more like a june build & that # in registry says M  white car? 

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 05:01:24 am »
Come on Ed, for $399k you wouldn't expect it to be correct would ya? lol     8k miles with original paint!

Like Ed pointed out, Raven Black A code tag, registry says Wimbledon White M?
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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 06:34:24 am »
Something's fishy!

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 06:43:04 am »
The KK sticker doesn't look original.

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 08:27:48 am »
KK 1829 has been discussed on this Forum in the recent past by member SOUTHROD in a plethora of his posts:

KK1829 is white.
Currently restoring for client of ours
His other cars are (that we have restored)
68 GT 350 shelby
68 GT 500KR shelby
68 GT 500 convertable
65 GT 350 shelby
Were looking for another Boss 429 for him to restore



Obviously, the KK sticker found on this Raven Black example can not be accurate, for whatever reason.

Quite likely, IF this IS a GENUINE BOSS 429 Mustang (and I have no reason to suspect otherwise, though there are anomalies present) the Consecutive Unit Number of the VIN shown would place this car in the KarKraft production range of between KK 1700 and KK 1709.

There were six Raven Black BOSS 429 Mustangs produced within that range of KK numbers.

Is that a rubber plug seen adjacent to the Warranty Data Plate ?

Perhaps that plug is sealing a hole drilled into the door to provide an application point for ZiebartĀ® rust preventative topical coating treatment process to the interior of the door.

 The FoMoCo invoice shows the original selling dealership to be COOK Ford, 16901 Mack Avenue, Detroit, Michigan.  The chassis does appear to have had a coating of rust and corrosion protective "undercoating" applied, which was very common, especially in the northern states.

Today, that dealership is now Bob Maxey Lincoln, at that same location.

Perhaps pinboss9 can provide the Forum with the KK number corresponding to DAP Consecutive Unit Number 172970.


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KK 1392 Raven Black, 820-S - Armstrong-Johnson Ford, Austin, Texas
KK 1486 Wimbledon White, 820-T - Bill Utter Ford, Denton, Texas
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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 08:51:23 am »
I will say this, that it is highly unlikely that someone "cloning" or "faking" a 1969 BOSS 429 Mustang would place the kind of documentation on the internet that this seller has provided in support of his listing.

MANY of the dealers specializing in collector cars ABSOLUTELY will not publish or disclose the VIN numbers or, in the case of BOSS 429 Mustangs, they will not publish the KK number, either.

The only thing missing from the seller's supporting paperwork is the Marti Auto Works Report document, and anyone can obtain an emailed copy of that report for a reasonable fee, should they so desire, based on the fact that the seller has disclosed the VIN number (even though there is a typo in the VIN shown in the eBay text, it is still shown in the photos provided).

The seller's photos are not of the highest quality, and are somewhat poorly composed and slightly out of focus, in my opinion.  The seller would do himself a huge favor to have high quality photographic images in his advertisement.

High end collector cars, (high dollar cars) don't sell very readily from poorly written advertisements with poor photographic images of the car.  I feel that 400K certainly places this Mustang into the category of a "high-end" collector car prices, whether one would agree or not that the quality of this BOSS 429 meets the standards of a high-end BOSS 429 Mustang.

Rich
KK 1392 Raven Black, 820-S - Armstrong-Johnson Ford, Austin, Texas
KK 1486 Wimbledon White, 820-T - Bill Utter Ford, Denton, Texas
KK 2049 Black Jade, 820-T - Horn-Williams Ford, Dallas, Texas

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 09:55:55 am »
I think (for whatever reason) someone made or ordered the  wrong kk decal # as 3 or more vendors over the years have attempted to make that decal. I sent an original kk sticker (along with many other original decals) to ecs years ago to make since he is liecenced by ford to make accurate 3M oem  decals.  Look at the kk decal location & the letter fonts printing.  Someone (years ago) may have got the wrong info on kk decal #.

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 06:17:45 pm »
Also looks like a repop door tag and I know of a '69 R code Mach that had a repo door tag made to fit the color the owner desired.  Maybe this owner felt the Raven Black would demand more money and did the same.  Good thing we have records!
According to the vin it should be KK 1701 which is a Raven Black car.  So I believe Ed is the winner!
« Last Edit: September 20, 2016, 06:24:59 pm by FIJI_99 »
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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 08:52:14 pm »
door tag looks original to me    kk decal ?

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2016, 04:15:47 am »
Jeremy is correct. That VIN (car) is KK 1701. It has the wrong KK Sticker.

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2016, 02:52:04 pm »
Guys,
Thanks for the discussion on our car. Frank called me and encouraged us to get a Marti report. The correct kk code is 1701. We are getting a new kk sticker to replace the incorrect one. We bought the car in 1995 from the second owner. It is the same as when it was purchased from him. All the chrome plating and tweaking was done in the 1980s. Also, it was rustproofed when new as most new cars were in the snow states. It was originally a Michigan car.
Thanks Again!!
Ted

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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2016, 04:17:34 pm »
Would encourage you to detail the engine compartment to something approaching a more stock appearance. Will help the sale for sure.
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Re: Raven Black 69
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2016, 06:10:10 pm »
Guys,
Thanks for the discussion on our car. Frank called me and encouraged us to get a Marti report. The correct kk code is 1701. We are getting a new kk sticker to replace the incorrect one. We bought the car in 1995 from the second owner. It is the same as when it was purchased from him. All the chrome plating and tweaking was done in the 1980s. Also, it was rustproofed when new as most new cars were in the snow states. It was originally a Michigan car.
Thanks Again!!
Ted

Ted,,,,,.  Thanks for the update on the car....The Marti report  is the best  way to go I think,,,