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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 06:22:33 am »
The red track key will activate many (some say 44, some say 100's) performance enhancements. Most noticable are the idle and throttle response. Lopey idle is great and the throttle becomes very sensitive especially when you lift your foot. Haven't adjusted my front shocks as this car is not tracked. As far as front end protection, there are a couple of clear products to use. I had my '13 and '16 in for estimates and they bumped the price up to $1800 each due to demand. I did not do it for that cost. They wouldn't give me a deal on both being done. I'll find another place. Let us know.

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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 09:08:16 am »
bossneeds: Thanks much for the feedback on the track key attributes & the estimates on the front end protection clear wraps as good to know. AM has a Colgan nose mask for $178, so gonna pick that up (after I check a couple price comparables) & use until I have time to research the clear wrap products & installers. Will prolly get the matching side mirror protectors for $50 or so as these work for protection too even though they & the nose mask don't look all that great & are a hassle to remove & clean each wash, but whatever, they will get the job done until able to find something better. Figured I'd prolly just mostly drive with the track key or do most owners just use that for actual tracking use?

Yeah, I'll check that Camp website & hopefully learn a few things.

Had to watch H.B. Halicki's original (not the re-make) "Gone in 60 Seconds" again last night as gotta say the 13 Boss 302 sounds & has a strong body resemblance to Eleanor (IMO). Prolly the greatest last 40 minutes or so of a movie ever. He also passes a very nice Grabber Blue Mach 1 during the chase that looks a lot like my Boss 302, IMO.

Man, has there ever been a better name for a car, than the "Boss 302". Lemme answer that: NOPE....Just 100% pure naturally aspirated BADASS!!! Can't believe I own one, feel extremely lucky.

Have a great rest of what's left of the weekend/Peace

 
The red track key will activate many (some say 44, some say 100's) performance enhancements. Most noticable are the idle and throttle response. Lopey idle is great and the throttle becomes very sensitive especially when you lift your foot. Haven't adjusted my front shocks as this car is not tracked. As far as front end protection, there are a couple of clear products to use. I had my '13 and '16 in for estimates and they bumped the price up to $1800 each due to demand. I did not do it for that cost. They wouldn't give me a deal on both being done. I'll find another place. Let us know.

Look up Camp Eliis and you'll see you had lots of German soldiers in your area.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2017, 01:33:55 pm by RoadRnr13 »
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Stock, except side exhaust restrictor baffle plates removed
Acq. Date: 11/3/2017
Acq. Date Miles: 15,073

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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2017, 12:12:37 pm »

IMHO, I would not use a nose mask or bra, these trap stuff between the paint and bra and cause scratches, swirls etc. the less you touch the paint, the better it looks. You can do a swirl check with an LED flashlight to see how good your paint really is. You should have a mirror reflection of the flashlight with no hazing, marring or swirls noted.  PPF is much better than a nose mask.

Some videos to give you some ideas..

www.autogeek.net/dual-action-polisher.html


Hopey: Hey thanks much for the feedback on the PPF as will do some research on those products & who might install around here & what cost might be. Noted American Muscle has a nosemask (Colgan I think) for the 13 Boss 302 for $177 which would work, just a hassle to have to remove every cleaning. Not sure if Ford has one available for the 13 Boss 302 but will check with parts on Monday. Anyway, thanks again for info on those PPF products. Take it easy/Peace



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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2017, 01:46:16 pm »
hopey: Thanks for the insight on the PPF & link to the car care videos. Took a quick look at & appears to be a nice resource site, so will definitely explore. Yeah, agree the nosemask alternative has some drawbacks & don't look too great either. Definitely have to remove frequently & check to make sure the inside of mask is clean & doing its job. I've had decent luck with the several I've used on a couple of my other cars but have to make sure they have a tight fit, remove & inspect frequently & replace with new annually. Definitely better than nothing but agree not as good or effective as PPF. On my to-do's to research PPF & reliable installers (once I get thru the OEM manual & the Boss 302 kit/box that came with car). Thanks again for the feedback as much appreciated. Peace... 


IMHO, I would not use a nose mask or bra, these trap stuff between the paint and bra and cause scratches, swirls etc. the less you touch the paint, the better it looks. You can do a swirl check with an LED flashlight to see how good your paint really is. You should have a mirror reflection of the flashlight with no hazing, marring or swirls noted.  PPF is much better than a nose mask.

Some videos to give you some ideas..

www.autogeek.net/dual-action-polisher.html


Hopey: Hey thanks much for the feedback on the PPF as will do some research on those products & who might install around here & what cost might be. Noted American Muscle has a nosemask (Colgan I think) for the 13 Boss 302 for $177 which would work, just a hassle to have to remove every cleaning. Not sure if Ford has one available for the 13 Boss 302 but will check with parts on Monday. Anyway, thanks again for info on those PPF products. Take it easy/Peace
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Acq. Date: 11/3/2017
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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 03:49:06 pm »
Ditto on the car "Bras". I would never use one personally. The clear masks are more expensive and definitly won't leave marks on your car.
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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2017, 04:37:36 pm »
I have only used the black key 1 or 2 times. 1 time as I was taking it to get a emissions test and thought possibly it could effect the test. I too have thought about the clear protective Film but Damn it isn't cheap!


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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2017, 08:39:26 pm »
Anyone have any suggestions on cleaning the Alcantara steering wheel w/o messing up the Alcantara feel? Looks like mine has a few stains or some sorta grime on it from prior owner or service dep't use. I can check YouTube & online otherwise but wondered if anyone might have any feedback if they've encountered comparable circumstances. Saw where AM has a replacement of exact same wheel for around $350 but would rather just clean existing if possible.

Also, what do you guys do in prep. for when dropping off your Boss for service, as would not have much confidence in dealer service dep't reps not grabbing the steering wheel (SW) with less than clean hands (aka oil, grease, etc.)? I've not had Alcantara in any of my previous cars. Guess a guy could buy a $10-15 rubber SW cover from AutoZone, Walmart, etc. & drop it on before service & remove after picking up from service. Guess that's what I'd prolly do, without thinking much about it.

Any other high quality interior care cleaning products you might recommend (before I proceed with giving mine a thorough 1st next owner cleaning)? I've always used Meguiar's products on my other cars without issue. Need to check on how best to clean cloth seats as I've generally had leather in my other cars.

Anyone replace the Boss 302 carpet floor mats with the WeatherTech Floorliners (as I've never been much of a carpet floor mats (or otherwise) guy, although losing the Boss 302 logo on the mats does give me some heartburn)?

Thanks in advance for any feedback on above questions. Peace...
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 11:19:13 am by RoadRnr13 »
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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2017, 11:13:13 am »
Anyone know if the color of the black striping on the 13 Boss 302 is Matte Black or Low Gloss Black? Was gonna order some rear quarter window louvers to match the hockey stick striping on the car as close as possible but was not sure which to order, the Gloss Black or Matte Black. The Ford 2013 brochure says "low gloss" black when referring to the Livery inspired striping standard on the car. The window sticker under Equip. Group 500A subheader says Hood Stripe No. 2 and Hockey Stick Side Stripe and under Optional Equip. subheader says "Matte Black" Tape Stripe. is the Tape Stripe referring to all the striping on the car or something else? If anyone might be able to clarify, would appreciate it.

Also, the front quarter panel (P side) , on top, on my Boss 302 is missing the 8" or so long & maybe an inch or so wide black stripe (just above the Boss 302 on side of the quarter panel but actually on top of the quarter panel, just left of hood (if looking at car from front)). Anyone know if you can order that small portion of the striping separate or if you have to order a whole side or hood stripe to just get that portion? I called dealer & they said it's likely part of the side stripe which is like $627 or so to replace but were not 100% sure w/o looking at it. Will definitely want to restore that to original condition.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 11:41:02 am by RoadRnr13 »
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Acq. Date: 11/3/2017
Acq. Date Miles: 15,073

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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2017, 02:20:18 pm »
The only alcantara cleaner that I have come across is the Sonax Upholstery & Alcantara cleaner. Here is a good video from Larry at AmmoNY. Larry has lots of great videos on basic car washing, polishing etc, he is running a series right non on YouTube on basic car care... Sonax do some great products, I am a fan of their “Perfect Finish” polish which I use with a DA, and their wheel cleaner is the ONLY product I would use on my machined face 2013 BOSS LS rims.

I also have a big sign I hang from the interior mirror “DO NOT WASH OR YOU WILL BE LIABLE FOR FULL PROFESSIONAL PAINT CORRECTION”, you do not want the apprentice at the dealership sponging your car off with a bucket of muddy water and drying it with an old rag...

Watch that they do the oil change exactly to spec 5W50, NOT the same as a GT.. the oil is different. It’s easy to do yourself though, stick with Motorcraft oil & filters.

https://youtu.be/wROwSj7OJGg

The Megs products are usually decent, worth stepping up to their professional line. Adams Polishes and Jay Leno Garage also do pretty decent consumer level products that are at least 2 steps up from the usual Autozone / Pep Boys offerings. Look out for their numerous 15% off sales online.

Anyone have any suggestions on cleaning the Alcantara steering wheel w/o messing up the Alcantara feel? Looks like mine has a few stains or some sorta grime on it from prior owner or service dep't use. I can check YouTube & online otherwise but wondered if anyone might have any feedback if they've encountered comparable circumstances. Saw where AM has a replacement of exact same wheel for around $350 but would rather just clean existing if possible.

Also, what do you guys do in prep. for when dropping off your Boss for service, as would not have much confidence in dealer service dep't reps not grabbing the steering wheel (SW) with less than clean hands (aka oil, grease, etc.)? I've not had Alcantara in any of my previous cars. Guess a guy could buy a $10-15 rubber SW cover from AutoZone, Walmart, etc. & drop it on before service & remove after picking up from service. Guess that's what I'd prolly do, without thinking much about it.

Any other high quality interior care cleaning products you might recommend (before I proceed with giving mine a thorough 1st next owner cleaning)? I've always used Meguiar's products on my other cars without issue. Need to check on how best to clean cloth seats as I've generally had leather in my other cars.

Anyone replace the Boss 302 carpet floor mats with the WeatherTech Floorliners (as I've never been much of a carpet floor mats (or otherwise) guy, although losing the Boss 302 logo on the mats does give me some heartburn)?

Thanks in advance for any feedback on above questions. Peace...
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2013 Boss 302 LS614 Black
2016 F150 5.0 platinum 4x4
2011 Full Fat Range Rover Supercharged
2004 Harley Davidson Fatboy
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2017, 02:39:00 pm »
Most all dealerships have a plastic wheel cover when servicing. They do that so they don't need to deal with guys like us!
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2017, 05:35:37 pm »
hopey: Thanks much for the alcantara cleaner info, other auto care products noted & related insight & link to Larry's videos. Will be sure to check out on YouTube. Much appreciated.

Yeah, nobody washes or cleans out my cars but me.

I contacted previous Ford dealer that serviced my Boss for the former owner & they provided me the lowdown on the oil specs, tire tread remaining, etc. I'll take your advice & use Motorcraft oil & filters.

Thanks again for the feedback/Peace

The only alcantara cleaner that I have come across is the Sonax Upholstery & Alcantara cleaner. Here is a good video from Larry at AmmoNY. Larry has lots of great videos on basic car washing, polishing etc, he is running a series right non on YouTube on basic car care... Sonax do some great products, I am a fan of their “Perfect Finish” polish which I use with a DA, and their wheel cleaner is the ONLY product I would use on my machined face 2013 BOSS LS rims.

I also have a big sign I hang from the interior mirror “DO NOT WASH OR YOU WILL BE LIABLE FOR FULL PROFESSIONAL PAINT CORRECTION”, you do not want the apprentice at the dealership sponging your car off with a bucket of muddy water and drying it with an old rag...

Watch that they do the oil change exactly to spec 5W50, NOT the same as a GT.. the oil is different. It’s easy to do yourself though, stick with Motorcraft oil & filters.

https://youtu.be/wROwSj7OJGg

The Megs products are usually decent, worth stepping up to their professional line. Adams Polishes and Jay Leno Garage also do pretty decent consumer level products that are at least 2 steps up from the usual Autozone / Pep Boys offerings. Look out for their numerous 15% off sales online.

Anyone have any suggestions on cleaning the Alcantara steering wheel w/o messing up the Alcantara feel? Looks like mine has a few stains or some sorta grime on it from prior owner or service dep't use. I can check YouTube & online otherwise but wondered if anyone might have any feedback if they've encountered comparable circumstances. Saw where AM has a replacement of exact same wheel for around $350 but would rather just clean existing if possible.

Also, what do you guys do in prep. for when dropping off your Boss for service, as would not have much confidence in dealer service dep't reps not grabbing the steering wheel (SW) with less than clean hands (aka oil, grease, etc.)? I've not had Alcantara in any of my previous cars. Guess a guy could buy a $10-15 rubber SW cover from AutoZone, Walmart, etc. & drop it on before service & remove after picking up from service. Guess that's what I'd prolly do, without thinking much about it.

Any other high quality interior care cleaning products you might recommend (before I proceed with giving mine a thorough 1st next owner cleaning)? I've always used Meguiar's products on my other cars without issue. Need to check on how best to clean cloth seats as I've generally had leather in my other cars.

Anyone replace the Boss 302 carpet floor mats with the WeatherTech Floorliners (as I've never been much of a carpet floor mats (or otherwise) guy, although losing the Boss 302 logo on the mats does give me some heartburn)?

Thanks in advance for any feedback on above questions. Peace...
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 05:53:45 pm by RoadRnr13 »
2013 Boss 302 #3221
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Acq. Date: 11/3/2017
Acq. Date Miles: 15,073

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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2017, 05:40:28 pm »
bossneeds: I was not aware of that so thanks for the heads-up. I'll be sure & verify with the dealer service rep. before dropping the Boss off for service. Take it easy/Peace
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Acq. Date Miles: 15,073

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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2017, 06:21:40 pm »
They are great cars...Tail of the Dragon back in June...
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2017, 08:09:23 am »
Great looking LS in black - that's definitely a cool looking color on the 13 Boss. Hope to maybe give the Tail a go someday. Have you braved the Tail on the Fatboy? I've been exploring some bikes for newbies as would like to take up the sport. At 6'3" height, the dual sports seem to fit me best. Take it easy...
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Re: 13 Prospective Purchase Questions
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2017, 09:26:46 am »
Looked into the Xpel PPF a bit more. Sounds like Xpel currently has the best warranty @ 10 years (although 3M apparently just updated their product & warranty to match Xpel). Suntek warranty is 7 years. Spoke with a rep. from Midwest Auto Skins in Champaign IL (which is closest Xpel installer to me per their website) & he's gonna send over a quote this afternoon. Ballpark estimates on their site for complete front-end protection, 18-24" up the hood & dropping down to the front quarters forward, plus mirrors & under door handles is $895. Per rep, price is different for every vehicle & site info is a ballpark estimate. Decent video on YouTube for an Xpel install for a Dodge Challenger (partial) & Dodge Viper (complete) at following link, if interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUx1m-QsZI&t=842s

From review of the comments for that video apparently no guarantee it's going to protect against higher impact debris (such as a rock from a gravel truck or large industrial truck otherwise) which was confirmed by rep. I spoke with who indicated if the debris bouncing off the front end penetrates the Xpel material then damage to paint is likely. That does not sound to reassuring for freeway travel so appears maybe more effective for driving other than freeway. Also there are some vids on YouTube of some installation fails.

Installer needs car 4 days, must be washed (no wax) prior to dropoff & then installer rewashes prior to install. Takes approx. 2 weeks to cure post-install which car can be driven normally during such time. Rep. said you may see some hazing during the 2 weeks. Have to apply some solution they give you after initial wax which is a 1-time requirement. Per rep., will start yellowing, fraying, peeling after warranty period which at such time may be safely removed with heat/steam process & then a reinstall can be done if desired. No add'l UV protection to avoid different wear then untreated paint areas.

So appears to be a cheaper & better looking alternative for front end as compared to a nosemask/bra (if replace those annually or about the same $ if replace those every 2 years) but not as effective for freeway travel where larger and/or higher impact rock chip/debris more likely. Plus you have the installers all over your car with a cutting tool & washing otherwise, which makes me feel sorta uneasy bout that. You have the obvious drawbacks with a nosemask/bra of the recurring pulling off & reinstalling & potentially accumulating debris underneath if you get lazy & don't maintain & keep clean (or if debris gets underneath otherwise as fit can loosen up some over time).

Conclusion: Prolly leaning towards nosemask /bra as plan on driving my Boss on the freeway some & Xpel has apparent limitations for higher impact debris. Did not think $895 was too unreasonable for the Xpel cost after watching the install demo in the video. Will modify post when I receive actual quote for the Boss.     
« Last Edit: November 07, 2017, 02:43:47 pm by RoadRnr13 »
2013 Boss 302 #3221
Grabber Blue
Stock, except side exhaust restrictor baffle plates removed
Acq. Date: 11/3/2017
Acq. Date Miles: 15,073