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Offline BossRaver

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2018, 04:47:34 pm »
How do we protect this site and what does it cost? Losing all this data would be just tragic. How much do I owe?    Ed Raver

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 06:46:06 pm »
The first question is who owns the Data? I did a search on www.Boss302.com and this is what it showed:

Registrant Name: Bob Cloutier, Registrant Organization: ProTech Computer Systems, Inc.
Registrant Street: 7100 North Broadway Blg 3C, Registrant City: Denver
Registrant State/Province: CO, Registrant Postal Code: 80221-2925
Registrant Phone: +1.3034300433


 The above information only shows who owns the URL and other information that I did not choose to post. I not sure who Bob Cloutier is but it looks like he is involved with the Site and its support. Some  one is paying for the services and the server. This is their data and not really ours so that would be where I would start cause then it becomes interesting in placing a 'value' on this data. After all there is some really valuable information posted here give by several members. Here is an example, All those great pictures on photo bucket that were lost because their was no upload to this site.  Those photos should have been stored along with the text. So when Photo bucket changed their legal posting policy all the great photos attached to great stories were gone. To bad because those photos along with the stories were amazing. Storage is cheap and it could have been real simple to require an upload of the picture.  What happened to the SAAC site was a result of the owner using the the members expertise to create a dataset of value. Every time, people like John, Scott, Randy, Ed, Jeff and a host of others give their inputs its knowledge with a value attached.....its history documented about the Boss cars! Priceless! Heck, even Amazon goes down so without a regular backup you will have problems.  So I guess is this site a collective community or owned by a single group/person that gives us the right to access?

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2018, 08:16:47 pm »
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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 09:17:02 pm »
I think we need to wait for Randy and Jeff to weigh in on this subject. Not maverick anything.
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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2018, 09:18:55 pm »
I used the information daily while restoring my gt500 , a sad day indeed.
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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2018, 09:37:22 pm »
The first question is who owns the Data? I did a search on www.Boss302.com and this is what it showed:

Registrant Name: Bob Cloutier, Registrant Organization: ProTech Computer Systems, Inc.
Registrant Street: 7100 North Broadway Blg 3C, Registrant City: Denver
Registrant State/Province: CO, Registrant Postal Code: 80221-2925
Registrant Phone: +1.3034300433


 The above information only shows who owns the URL and other information that I did not choose to post. I not sure who Bob Cloutier is but it looks like he is involved with the Site and its support. Some  one is paying for the services and the server. This is their data and not really ours so that would be where I would start cause then it becomes interesting in placing a 'value' on this data. After all there is some really valuable information posted here give by several members. Here is an example, All those great pictures on photo bucket that were lost because their was no upload to this site.  Those photos should have been stored along with the text. So when Photo bucket changed their legal posting policy all the great photos attached to great stories were gone. To bad because those photos along with the stories were amazing. Storage is cheap and it could have been real simple to require an upload of the picture.  What happened to the SAAC site was a result of the owner using the the members expertise to create a dataset of value. Every time, people like John, Scott, Randy, Ed, Jeff and a host of others give their inputs its knowledge with a value attached.....its history documented about the Boss cars! Priceless! Heck, even Amazon goes down so without a regular backup you will have problems.  So I guess is this site a collective community or owned by a single group/person that gives us the right to access?


Mr. Cloutier owns the company that owns the server where this forum and our website, www.boss302.com, resides and he handles the registration of our URL. I'm not a lawyer but perhaps that technically means he owns the website and the database of this forum but we, the Registry, manage it with him. He has graciously given us this server space free of charge since we posted our first web pages on October 7, 1998.  Yes, we are coming up on 20 years of BOSS 302 Registry on the internet. FREE. Over the past 19+ years we have had people offer to advertise here and we turned them down. We even had someone try to buy the forum and we turned them down, too.

And yes, the forum database does get backed up regularly (not daily but often) so we should not face what happened at the SAAC forum.

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 10:00:55 pm »
Thanks Jeff, not here to ruffle anyone. One last comment, Since Bob, by Law owns the rights to this data, is there an escrow account that he would agree to that would store a backup tape in case something unforeseen should happen? might be worth asking.

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 10:36:51 pm »
BTW, I own www.fordboss.com ....have not done anything with it yet but was thinking to engage the restoration guys to gather up all the info with a really cool search feature...with photos so all info is in one place. I have collected info for 7 years on anything Boss from restore services, to parts, to paint color mixes.....to geography and location. from console parts to distributor info...

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2018, 07:21:37 am »
Some of the forum was saved on the Waybackmachine internet archive

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2018, 07:32:48 am »
We all appreciate the attention the admins are giving this sad situation.  Thanks guys!
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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2018, 08:38:57 am »
   The SAAC deal "to me" was a temporary set back. After all a site is simply a source location created for and built upon by members. Yes sadly we have lost some of the contributors (rip) but the information will return because of the dedication of the members. The SAAC site is already a buzz with restoration back to #1 Shelby source status. SAAC is very strong and will be fine.
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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2018, 05:45:19 pm »
I have just about given up on that site. It is slower than frozen molasses.  What a mess.

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2018, 06:22:12 pm »
Yes you’re exactly right 1109RWHP. And the admins were coming on frequently and saying they were going to straighten out the mess. Now, they’re not responding at all and it is slowest I’ve ever seen any forum.
Something was abound to happen. Two weeks leading up to the crash there were everyone talking about who owned it, why are things going on with the forum. Questions everywhere wondering what was going on then.....BAM!!!! Crash, everything gone!!!!

This should’ve never happened!!!! TMO

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2018, 07:06:22 pm »
I started posting pictures but gave up because it was too slow.

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Re: SAAC Forum crash results in total devastation of the forum
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2018, 08:27:38 am »
   Try it now , the speed is back. Just as fast as it is here.
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