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Offline c9zx

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1969 vs. 1970 values
« on: March 18, 2018, 02:43:30 pm »
I've been looking around at prices of B2 cougars and it seems the 70s are bring significantly more money at sale. Is this just me or is there some reason for 70s bringing more money? Is it just the relative production numbers or the 69 owners just not being willing to part with them? All input is appreciated.

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2018, 03:29:12 pm »
To me its just looks. when I decided i wanted to add a nice Eliminator to my collection. The 2 biggest requirements were 4 speed and 1970. Ended up with a very nice loaded 70 boss 302 car

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2018, 07:12:57 pm »
Very interesting....I have been watching the values also.  I see the same trend in sales, but have the opposite preference, my requirements are 69, 4 speed, not a 351 !!  Have wanted one since I saw my first Eliminator in 1969 and the L-M dealership my Dad bought his cars from!!  Love at first site and always loved that 69 grill!!
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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2018, 06:18:23 am »
I agree that it's just the looks of the '70 being more traditional Cougar with the vertical grille as opposed to the '69 only style grille. I owned a '70 for nearly 30 years, but always like the uniqueness of the '69 style front end, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Either style with a 428CJ or Boss 302 is a keeper!
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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2018, 10:40:08 am »
I would think that an original 1969 BOSS 302 Eliminator would be just as valuable as a 1970.  I don't think I've ever seen a 1969 Eliminator and haven't seen many 1969 BOSS 302 either.  I know that finding parts for these cars is difficult!

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2018, 12:31:56 pm »
This is not a fully restored, or even well painted example, it does seem to be a decent starting point. https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1969/mercury/cougar/100915824
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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2018, 02:44:48 pm »
I agree that the 1970 Boss 302 Cougar Eliminator prices do seem to be slightly higher, but looking at Hagerty they actually value the 1969s slightly higher.  And being that the 1969s are more rare (roughly 1/3 of those built in 1970), you would think they should be more expensive.  So, as stated before, it must just be styling preferences of the buyers.

And as a person currently looking for a Boss 302 Cougar Eliminator, I have found that I too have a preference for the looks of the 1970 models.  Both the nose and the different Eliminator graphics sold me on the 1970.

It's interesting that with the 1969 and 1970 Mustang Boss 302s, the 1969s are also much lower productions numbers, but also don't seem to attract any higher prices.  But in this case I have a personal preference for the 1969 - I just love the quad headlights...

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2018, 09:36:44 am »
I agree that the 1970 Boss 302 Cougar Eliminator prices do seem to be slightly higher, but looking at Hagerty they actually value the 1969s slightly higher.  And being that the 1969s are more rare (roughly 1/3 of those built in 1970), you would think they should be more expensive.  So, as stated before, it must just be styling preferences of the buyers.

And as a person currently looking for a Boss 302 Cougar Eliminator, I have found that I too have a preference for the looks of the 1970 models.  Both the nose and the different Eliminator graphics sold me on the 1970.

It's interesting that with the 1969 and 1970 Mustang Boss 302s, the 1969s are also much lower productions numbers, but also don't seem to attract any higher prices.  But in this case I have a personal preference for the 1969 - I just love the quad headlights...

Craig

Craig,
   With the BOSS Mustangs in 1969 it is an illusion of value difference between 1969 and 1970. In 1970 you could get more options and colors which attracts some buyers. The graphics tend to get lost on the blue 1969 cars and some buyers are just put off by white cars. This leaves yellow and Calypso Coral the popsicle colors. The lack in 1969 of the 4.30 gear ratio and the oil cooler adds to the desire for a 1970, add the Shaker and it's inherent $5,000 plus dollar value and bang the 1970 goes up further. The 1969 BOSS 302 Cougars and Mustangs are rarer and the first year products, so there is the cool factor.

However the 1969 BOSS 302 is my favorite.
1st universal rule of value,
"Parts are parts, cash is only money and doesn't have the same value. You get that right?"

 2nd universal rule of value, "an object is only worth the higher of two values placed upon it by either the current entity in possession of the item, or the value placed on it by an entity wanting to take over possession of the item."

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 08:26:31 am »
This is not a fully restored, or even well painted example, it does seem to be a decent starting point. https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1969/mercury/cougar/100915824

'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (wide-ratio).  Bright Yellow, Black Interior.  Docs.  In IN for $65k.
http://www.rayskillmanclassiccars.com/used/Mercury/1969-Mercury-Cougar-13a3152a0a0e0ae977f4dc22b33c161f.htm
*Original VIN-stamped engine block has been found by a seperate seller.  Dealer declined to purchase it.
Engine details can be found here: http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=76152.0
More info / details here: https://classiccougarcommunity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8402&start=10#p86173
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1970 Cougar Eliminator (Competition Gold / Black Decor Interior)
- 1 of 70 with 428SCJ / 4-speed
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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2018, 07:37:57 pm »
I've been looking around at prices of B2 cougars and it seems the 70s are bring significantly more money at sale. Is this just me or is there some reason for 70s bringing more money? Is it just the relative production numbers or the 69 owners just not being willing to part with them? All input is appreciated.

Chuck

I think that the reason that it seems the '70 Boss Cats do better is simply because we see them more often, and they are usually much better restored than their '69 counterparts.  Possibly because '70 Boss parts are easier to come by?

Last year (March '17 to present) there were about five '69 Boss 302 Eliminators offered for sale more-or-less publicly.  I didn't count the '70 Boss Eliminators because there were so many more (if I get time tonight I'll try to go through them and add the info for a better comparison).

1969 Boss 302 Eliminators...
'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (wide-ratio). Bright Yellow, White Interior. Project! In PA for $7.5k
'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (wide-ratio). Bright Yellow, Black Interior. Docs. In IN for $65k.
'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (close-ratio). Competition Orange, Black Interior. Docs. In MI for $15k.
'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (close-ratio). Competition Orange, Black Interior. Marti Report. Mecum Indy $44k (hammer)
'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (wide-ratio). Competition Orange, White Interior. Docs.  In MT $30k
^This Montana car is actually being offered again already (although only half-heartedly ~ wife forces reduction of collection), so maybe it counts as 2 opportunities?

The Orange Mecum car and the Yellow Ray Skillman car are probably comparable in condition ("nice drivers", missing various rare parts).  The others are projects.

Also keep in mind not only the disparity in production numbers, but also the survival numbers.  Roughly...

1969 = 169 built / 58 "accounted for" (34%)
1970 = 469 built / 195 "accounted for" (41.5%)

Note: "accounted for" includes VINs known only by VIN-stamped blocks, vintage documents, buck tags, door tags, and known-scrapped cars.

I hope you find this information useful, or at least interesting!
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- 1 of 345 Sonic Blue, Argent Interior, Black Top

1970 Cougar Eliminator (Competition Gold / Black Decor Interior)
- 1 of 70 with 428SCJ / 4-speed
Cat Bites Man!

RIP: 1993 Cobra #1795
- Teal w/ Gray Leather Interior, Sunroof
- Stolen & stripped 6/6/2002

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2018, 10:02:02 am »
'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (close-ratio). Competition Orange, Black Interior. Marti Report. Mecum Indy $44k (hammer)

Speak of the Devil...

'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed (close-ratio).  Competition Orange, Black Interior. Marti Report.  In PA, on eBay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/123034911574
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Previously sold Mecum Indy, May 2017 for $44k (hammer price)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ3j7RIwPSs
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0517-282605/1969-mercury-cougar-boss-302-eliminator/
~ Mike B.

'03 Cobra Convertible #2004
- 1 of 345 Sonic Blue, Argent Interior, Black Top

1970 Cougar Eliminator (Competition Gold / Black Decor Interior)
- 1 of 70 with 428SCJ / 4-speed
Cat Bites Man!

RIP: 1993 Cobra #1795
- Teal w/ Gray Leather Interior, Sunroof
- Stolen & stripped 6/6/2002

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2018, 11:20:29 am »
Mike B,
   Do you know how many complete, if not running, 1969 Boss Eliminators currently exists?

Thanks,
Chuck
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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2018, 11:38:20 am »
Mike- dont forget the white one (original bright blue metallic) on ebay about 18 months ago-I know you were only going back a year... :) :)

Another '69 Boss project...

'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed. Bright Blue Metallic, blue interior. No drivetrain. Docs. On eBay in Indiana.
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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2018, 12:24:25 pm »
Mike- dont forget the white one (original bright blue metallic) on ebay about 18 months ago-I know you were only going back a year... :) :)

Another '69 Boss project...

'69 w/ Boss 302, 4-speed. Bright Blue Metallic, blue interior. No drivetrain. Docs. On eBay in Indiana.
9F91G574957

I did think about adding that one, but it fell pretty far outside my "1 year" range :-)

I have to say, this past year has had more '69 Boss 302 Eliminators offered than I have seen in the past.  Usually see maybe 2 per year, various conditions.  I don't think I've ever actually seen one for sale publicly that was what we might call "fully restored", with all / most of the correct parts and factory appearance.
~ Mike B.

'03 Cobra Convertible #2004
- 1 of 345 Sonic Blue, Argent Interior, Black Top

1970 Cougar Eliminator (Competition Gold / Black Decor Interior)
- 1 of 70 with 428SCJ / 4-speed
Cat Bites Man!

RIP: 1993 Cobra #1795
- Teal w/ Gray Leather Interior, Sunroof
- Stolen & stripped 6/6/2002

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2018, 12:51:29 pm »
Mike B,
   Do you know how many complete, if not running, 1969 Boss Eliminators currently exists?

Thanks,
Chuck

Tough call...  How do you define "complete"?  A quick look at the info I have available to me, I would estimate about half of those 58 that are "currently accounted for" are likely in a state that could be driven (loosely defined as condition 3 to 5).  Please keep in mind that this is a very broad statement and full of conjecture based on available data (some of which is decades old!), and should NOT be taken as gospel.

If you happen to have or know of a '69 Boss 302 Eliminator, please know that it is a rare version of an uncommon car model.  Please consider submitting recent pictures of your car and copies of your documentation (Marti, Invoice, Build Sheet, Buck Tag and Dash Tag pics, etc) to the Eliminator Registry and / or Cougar Club of America.

https://eliminator.mercurycougarregistry.com/
http://www.cougarclub.org/registry.htm
~ Mike B.

'03 Cobra Convertible #2004
- 1 of 345 Sonic Blue, Argent Interior, Black Top

1970 Cougar Eliminator (Competition Gold / Black Decor Interior)
- 1 of 70 with 428SCJ / 4-speed
Cat Bites Man!

RIP: 1993 Cobra #1795
- Teal w/ Gray Leather Interior, Sunroof
- Stolen & stripped 6/6/2002

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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 03:06:52 pm »
Mike, I do have a 1969 Boss Eliminator I've owned since 1982, VIN 9F91G576329. It is not restored but has been made presentable (one repaint and mechanically sound).
It is in the registry but no current pictures, buck tag, or build sheet submitted. I will try to get that submitted.

Thanks for the information,
Chuck
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Re: 1969 vs. 1970 values
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2018, 05:42:05 pm »
The eBay ad on the 1969 BOSS 302 Eliminator says that the car was from "the dry climate of Kentucky."  Reminds me of all the "rust-free" vehicles that came from California as if rust doesn't exist in this State.