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B1 at Gateway Classics St.Louis - anybody know it?
« on: May 25, 2018, 07:52:10 am »
Anybody know this car?  Has a few things wrong but looks pretty nice for the money.  Power windows too. :o

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Re: B1 at Gateway Classics St.Louis - anybody know it?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2018, 08:46:19 pm »
I don’t know the car .......were the things wrong you found the two passenger side
1972 seats in the car??

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2018, 09:21:31 am »
Never noticed the seats... the things that jumped out at me were the toggle switch on the dash, chicken bar and trunk mounted antenna.  Also never seen the chrome trim strips around the wheel wells before on a B1.  Of course Gateway never posts the vin or a Marti so who knows what else.  May be a B1 tribute they are trying to pass off.  Price just seems out of character for a dealer as most are usually 20K over reality in that price range.
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Re: B1 at Gateway Classics St.Louis - anybody know it?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2018, 01:46:57 pm »
Gateway Classics states that this BOSS 351 has its original engine and I can see that the rev limiter is still on the car.  Interesting that a previous owner added an engine oil cooler and that the Hurst shift handle has a set screw, which was used in 1970 on the BOSS 302, but not used on the BOSS 351.  As for not posting the Marti Report or the VIN number, I think Gateway Classics just does that so you will contact them.  It may be worth checking out this BOSS 351 in person or contact Gateway for more information.

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2018, 03:58:24 am »
I spotted the Mach 1 fuel cap.
And I’ve never seen the grab handle on the passenger side of the dash.
Is that a factory thing??

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2018, 07:25:41 am »
You Guys have 22 more items to "I spy (not correct on a Boss 351) with my little eye!!! LOL

I will offer a prize to the person that puts 20 in ONE POST!   (or sell the guy that buys this the correct parts)

Mark
P.S.  If I can spot 25+ in photos, can't imagine want is wrong, in under or during reassembly !
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2018, 02:10:53 am »
Alright the challenge is set!
Mark you could be a game show host

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2018, 10:41:04 am »
I am about as far from being a B1 expert as you can get but the gas cap and exhaust trumpets are an improvement in my opinion.  Screen wire over the headlights and door edge guards is about all my meager knowledge of the marque sees...


Also... what's up with the "351 ram air" decal on the hood.  About half the B1's you see say "351 ram air", the other half just say "ram air".  What's really correct?
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2018, 01:11:22 pm »
YOu guys aren't "playing" !  LOL    But the R codes only showed Ram Air on the hoods.   Other cars called out 351 Ram Air or 429 Ram air.

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2018, 02:17:18 pm »
This car seems to have every option on the wishlist available. Were they added on? The chrome fender and hood extensions should be body color. The blacked out areas seem incorrect in the way they are edged. Various bolts are painted over, the front fenders seemed to be chassis black behind the headlights and decal placement/useage. If factory equipped the trunk floor should have brackets to receive the "U" shaped brackets of the trap door. If Larry Shinoda designed the graphics, I think RAM AIR would be all that was on the hood because 351 is already called out on the fenders. The car looks nice but should be checkout in person. Nothing too hard to correct.

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2018, 06:23:26 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2018, 08:46:41 pm »
OK, I love looking for this stuff so I want to play. Going to make it easy and make a list. Not in order because I went over and over the pictures.

1. Chrome door molding. You could buy these and add but didn’t come on the car

2. Chrome hood and fender molding

3. 351 Ram Air on hood

4. Headlight screens

5. Wrong gas cap

6. Rear spoiler mounted too far up on trunk

7. Chrome exhaust tips. Didn’t even change rear valance for cut outs

8. Rear power antenna not stock

9. Missing rear bumper filler

10. Hood alignment really sucks

11. Stripes applied really badly, look at where they end at rear both sides

12. Grab bar above glove box...really!

13. Dome light very incorrect and very modern

14. Seat back release on driver side

15. Seat back knobs wrong

16. Driver and passenger seat belts wrong. Look at them where they attach to floor

17. Trunk floor missing folding seat rubber and bracket for fold down seat

18. Paint overspray on inside of trunk rear quarters wrong

19. Chrome spokes on Magnum 500 incorrect. Should be satin

20. Missing space saver spare, jack, wrench and inflator canister

21. Decal on air cleaner wrong

22. Decal on fan shroud wrong

23. “Front” decal on air cleaner wrong

24. Oil cooler added

25. Fender bolts painted

26. Hood springs might be round instead of flat. Hard to tell for sure but looks round

27. Last, the time on clock appears to be wrong. For those not paying attention that was a joke.


I’m sure I missed a lot but how did I do Mark? I think you’re right, if we checked underneath it would likely have lots more wrong if you were looking for a true factory correct car. I am not running this car down because it’s a B1. It’s just not factory correct for someone that is looking for a close to factory correct car.


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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2018, 03:20:28 am »
Well....over to you Mark.
Contestant number four is really making a play for the grand prize.
Mike even noticed incorrect time on the clock. I love it.
Can anyone better that lunge for the line??

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2018, 05:09:00 pm »
Well, we have different ideas of "wrong" things !!    (I bunched the stickers/stripes into ONE "Placement of stickers anywhere/everywhere!"

But some really good ones pointed out (I may have missed the hood springs and "time"  LOL).  I have 14 more on my list - so it would be still open to someone better than me with SPECIFIC parts issues (hint hint)

Mark
P.S.   I got to tell you this one.....Get a load of the A/C car radiator rubber on the car !   BUT WAIT - it is covering the radiator, not the air opening between the support and the radiator.   (could be hiding the 1973 Automatic Radiator ) LOL
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Re: B1 at Gateway Classics St.Louis - anybody know it?
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2018, 06:22:32 pm »
I don't a thing about BOSS 351's. But I do know that I would never ever, ever, ever, buy a BOSS Mustang without everyone here helping.

The seats are funny though!
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1970 Shelby GT350
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2016 Shelby GT350 Magnetic blk stripes
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Wife still Happy, recovering.
BOSS 302's are like a fabulous WI cheddar. Both get better with age and you buy them for your enjoyment, not as an investment.

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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2018, 06:30:25 pm »
You should never have to buy anything IMO !! (unless you are playing the Don't want my wife to see the collection going down GAME).

With your cars, you should be able to trade to other collectors that get board (or have 3 Boss 302's or too many XYZ's) !

Mark
P.S.  Tiger has always been on my list , after spending time in a car!   Just be glad you don't have a 66/67 Saab Sonett II Two Stroke to trade, can have ANYTHING you want !
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2018, 12:02:55 am »
Mark,

Looking forward to knowing what else you see. I did the best I could with the knowledge I have. One other thing I might add would be the missing defroster grids in the rear window. I have looked at all the back window pictures and can’t see any evidence the back glass is a defroster glass.

Also, can’t believe you didn’t notice the time was wrong on the clock, after looking at it closer I’m not sure that clock even works!

Mike

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2018, 07:32:41 am »
A few other deviations from original: wrong dipstick, vacuum advance on distributor, no zinc dichromate screws/bolts on radiator or fenders, decal on fan shroud, shock tower supports don't appear to be painted "slop grey". Wouldn't do well at an MCA judged meet.
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Re: B1 at Gateway Classics St.Louis - anybody know it?
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2018, 12:52:19 pm »
Quote:Also, can’t believe you didn’t notice the time was wrong on the clock, after looking at it closer I’m not sure that clock even works!



Mike your right. After checking it again it’s STILL on the same time!
Eastern standard at that.😀😃

Still with all it’s missing parts if someone knew the history/condition of it even before it was painted, (and it has all the other numbers it came with) it could still be a desirable car for the right money. Because all the incorrect adaptions are fixable. Although the hole left to repair in the rear fender from the dukes of hazard type aerial would be a dealbreaker for me.. Many body guys would repair that in a flash.
I agree with you guys a car like this needs underside photos/inspection. A couple years ago we had an Elenor type car turn up here a guy bought from the pictures out of the New York area. From the outside looked like it had the ‘bling’ for one of those cars. But underside was rotten you could wriggle the rear chassis where the rear spring bolts to it.
And THAT is where the saying originated  ‘Buyer beware’
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Re: B1 at Gateway Classics St.Louis - anybody know it?
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2018, 03:45:59 am »
Check out something not settled on the hood.
I’m not sure if this is a recent repaint or not but we all know to be wary of new paint that might be hiding something sinister that appears once we have shelled out the loot 💰💰.
Any ideas what it might be??

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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2018, 04:53:33 am »
Sorry i can’t seem to get the photo to load.. it’s the 53rd if you scroll down

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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2018, 04:27:56 pm »
Mark,

Looking forward to knowing what else you see. I did the best I could with the knowledge I have. One other thing I might add would be the missing defroster grids in the rear window. I have looked at all the back window pictures and can’t see any evidence the back glass is a defroster glass.

Also, can’t believe you didn’t notice the time was wrong on the clock, after looking at it closer I’m not sure that clock even works!

Mike

I guess enough time has passed, but I'm sure I will miss many items too !!

Light Grills
Wrong Sticker on AIr cleaner
Wrong Gas cap
BOSS 351 too high on deck lid
1972 wiring harness
1973 Service Grill
Chrome fender/hood extensions
Wrong radio
1970 Shifter, wrong boot NO boot cover
Shoulder Strap retainer missing
Late model dome light
TWO 1972/73 PS seats
Seat Belt cover WTF
Wrong Distributor, Oil cap, Dipstick PCV no vacuum to pots
Placement of "stickers" anywhere and everywhere

AND PROBABLY wrong radiator as "look at the AC car cover" and where it is placed on the radiator!!

Mark

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Re: B1 at Gateway Classics St.Louis - anybody know it?
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 06:51:58 am »
Unfortunate this post cannot be linked to the sales pitch for the uninformed. At the very least, forwarded to the seller (and their lawyers).
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2018, 08:41:16 am »
So.....guess I need to keep looking.  Glad I didn't waste 5 bucks on the price of admission to the Gateway store to look at this Frankenstein. This is why I should just stick to B2's.  ;) ;D
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2018, 07:50:17 pm »
Do not dispair, there have been a number of very nice B 1's turn over in the last 18 months.
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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2018, 09:32:32 am »
With time to kill the other day and the fact that I was driving down the street Gateway sits on I decided to throw a couple bucks away and go take a look at this car.  Also doing a little seed planting since wife was with me telling her I wanted to see how a B1 looks in yellow.  Of course her reply was you have a yellow BOSS...  My reply was yellow doesn't look good on every car and having never seen a yellow one in the flesh I needed to check it out.

So we go in and pay 4 bucks a head to see mostly a bunch of junk in my opinion that consignors have fixed up, given a poor paint job and worse...  Anyway, it's a pretty big place and soon discovered the B1 was no where to be found.  I finally found a salesperson and asked if they had sold the B1.  Guy said no it's back in the shop with some kind of ignition problem and won't start.  He offered to show me the car anyway so we take a look as best as I can as he didn't turn the shop lights on and handed me a flashlight. 

Aside from the multitude of incorrect things you guys have pointed out the car actually looked pretty good as it relates to condition and paint.  I forgot to write down the vin but it is in fact an R code and not a tribute.  I have no desire to own another project but for someone with the parts and expertise to do all the work it could be a decent car to own given the 40 something price which is probably negotiable.

Seed planted, wife and I both walked away in agreement that a pewter car would look better.  ;) ;D
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