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soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« on: July 13, 2018, 12:42:18 pm »
Hello,
after I replace my master cylinder , front brake hoses , proportioning valve , I have no pressure on my front brake's .

From start I must push 3-4 times before I get some pressure , when I stop pushing the brake pedal , the brake fluid come back to the master cylinder more than usual.
The new hoses dont  widened when I push the brake pedal .
It looks for me there is still a airbubble air into the front system , I already spend more than 1 gallon brake fluid whit trying bleeding the brakes on several way's  but no good result.

Just order a rebuild kit for the master and proportion valve , and go look if the rebuild it myself original parts are better.
Any other suggestions what to do?

Never have this problem before .
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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 01:57:09 pm »
Sounds like a possible master to booster rod adjustment issue. Loosen the master from the booster, and pull slightly apart, and slowly adjust the the rod out (longer) an 1/8 to a 1/4 turn at a time. Reassemble the master to booster and re-bleed your brakes. PS--you may have to do this a few times in order to get the correct rod distance. DO NOT turn it more than I suggested, or your brakes will lock up and not work.
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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2018, 02:36:18 pm »
Or you have your safetyplunger inside the proportioning block PINNED up and only getting pedal to the pin (which will never give pressure to front lines)

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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2018, 10:00:48 pm »
Crossboss , what must be the clearance from the booster rod to the master ?
now it's arround 1 mm

Mark,  what do you meen whit PINNED up ?
Is there  a proportioning valve problem ? (aftermarket part)

 After pushing the pedal  fast 3-4 times I have pressure to the front lines and my pedal comes higher .

 In the past I replaced  the master and proportioning valve (rearbrake's blocked)  .
 Last week I replace the front hoses , now  I have this soft pedal problem.
 I remount  the distribution blok brake lines as how they are before.
 one brakeline to the rear was replaced by a new one  by a former owner
 No strange bents into the old brake lines .

 BUT maybe the brake lines are wrong mounted  in the past.

And that the brakes are worked fine before was a combine of failures that solved the problem by itselfs ?

Has anybody a picture and discribtion from the routing from the brake lines ?


Crossboss and Mark , both thanks for your reply.
Simon
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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2018, 04:54:32 am »
Well see if this helps.  My question on the Pinned (above) is if the piston is "centered" in the valve.   IS THE LIGHT ON?
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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2018, 10:12:29 am »
Thanks for the photo's , I go check my lines.
Also found some info on the internet but is different as on your photo's.

The warning lamp is not ,,ON" because the conector inside the switch came out , poor quality aftermarket part.

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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2018, 12:00:26 pm »
The brake lines are mounted the same as  from the photo's from Mark .
BUT, I just found out that the warning light switch is leaking brake oil.

I think inside there is something wrong , oil leaking from the front brakes circuit to the rear brake circuit treu the switch rod.

Already ordered a rebuild kit from NPD .

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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2018, 12:24:24 pm »
The hole for the warning light switch should be a dry hole. Something in that switch is amiss.
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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2018, 09:01:43 am »
Also, forgot to mention check that your master is not leaking brake fluid into the booster. IF you are going to re-set the pushrod length anyways look for fluid in the master since you have it apart. As I mentioned, the push rod clearance will be a set and trial (maybe a few times) for maximum effectiveness. Remember, do not over do it…adjust an 1/8 to 1/4 turns out at a time. Keep us posted.
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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2018, 09:06:50 am »
Ok, here an update,

yesterday the proportioning valve rebuild kit was arrived from NPD , today I rebuild my original valve and replace the (new) aftermarket proportionong valve .
The aftermarket valve was failed , leaking inside .

Make a short test drive and it looks like the soft pedal problem is solved .

thanks for the help,

Simon
« Last Edit: July 25, 2018, 10:37:56 am by old 429 »

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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2018, 12:04:29 pm »
Glad you did that......any car without original Ford parts ISN'T worth what people think !!

Thanks for letting us know.............but would love to hear "how nasty" it was inside and how easy it was to fix!!  Needed on MANY CARS , in my opinion!!

Mark
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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2018, 08:15:39 am »
Have dismantled the (new) aftermarket disportioning valve , and there was not to see whats wrong, only from the warning light hole came also brake fluid .
It looks like the rubber O rings fitt not so tight as the O rings what are into th rebuild kit from NPD.
maybe they are leaking inside.

The original valve was easy to rebuild .

Thanks for your help and suggestions.

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Re: soft brake pedal 1971 Boss 351
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2018, 11:13:18 am »
MY GUESS is this is an instance of "the use of metric orings AND less than perfect tolerances" on boring!!

We used to see this with ALL of the early Chinese parts.   There "attitude" was IT LOOKS like it !!  A lot is lost in the conversion from SAE to Metric AND often there were assumptions.    They have gotten better , who wants to make 10 cent items and sell them for 40 cents!    We are seeing more and more complicated things (drop in light assemblies is a good example) but again "they probably LACK something the OEM had" as they think it will fit!

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