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Offline cushmancomp

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Ford Nascar 351 Dry Sumps
« on: November 12, 2018, 05:00:45 pm »
My son has been going thru the parts room and organizing stuff better and kinda inventorying components to different packages. Next on our list are these ultra rare Factory Nascar 351 dry sumps. We have 3 complete and 2 incomplete set ups. I would be interested in buying any misc items to these that anybody may have laying around and no use for. I need a couple oil pumps and timing covers as well as a few fittings which are not the same as any Boss 429, 427 or indy parts. Otherwise I thought you guys might like to see this factory dry sump and parts. Maybe Randy or some others on here can give us more info. These all came from Bud Moores shop in the 80s and Greg told me they had as many as a dozen complete on motors at one point in 1973.  Not realy sure who else got them before multi stage pumps and sheetmetal pans came available.

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Re: Ford Nascar 351 Dry Sumps
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2018, 08:42:08 am »
  Jay,
     As you know the XH numbered parts are "experimental , outside vendor" parts. In a nutshell , Ford designed and funded for a Ford backed effort in this case Bud Moore Engineering. Ford was obviously not building "stock cars" in the '70s nor were they selling complete Nascar engines. BUT they realized there was help needed to improve the durability of the engine they provided to the Nascar racers. Nascar would allow "factory" improvements but frowned on "owner improvements" so the field was "equal". XH numbered parts were never intended to be sold by Ford . That is a little different than SK or XE parts as many of them evolved into production parts.
   Quantity?  A common order quantity was 12 . Ten to be made and two extra in case a part was scrapped "in process". It is possible all twelve "made it" through to finished parts without an issue. A Ford engineer named R Kowalski (IIRC) was the lubrication expert who created the system. Homer Perry was the "Ford guy" that Bud leaned on to get the system built. It's been 40+ years since I've seen any of those parts out here on the west coast.
     Randy
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Re: Ford Nascar 351 Dry Sumps
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2018, 09:59:21 pm »
Thanks, Randy so I am probably not going to find many more parts to these units.

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Re: Ford Nascar 351 Dry Sumps
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2018, 09:44:10 am »
  The usual suspects that I'm sure you've checked with along "your coast". Maybe Bowsher Racing in OH?
   Randy
'66 GT350H (6S477)1of 18 white w/blue side stripes - drag raced mostly w / Boss 302 power for 35+ years
68.5 Cobra Jet fb  white w/blue c stripe 4spd
sorry never owned a Boss car just engines
cover Car Craft July '77 with my Boss powered GT350
cover/article Mustang Illustrated Fall 1987 w/all aluminum SK 351 Cleveland powered Mustang II
cover /article Modified Mustangs Feb 2011
cover Mustang Monthly  June 2014

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Re: Ford Nascar 351 Dry Sumps
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2018, 01:23:30 pm »
  The usual suspects that I'm sure you've checked with along "your coast". Maybe Bowsher Racing in OH?
   Randy

Or....you know....any independent contractor type machinist can make a lot of what you need. It's only metal right?
John
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Re: Ford Nascar 351 Dry Sumps
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2018, 06:11:24 pm »
Know one of those?
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Re: Ford Nascar 351 Dry Sumps
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 06:31:48 am »
Ok I will bite......How much for a complete oil pump and a stamped front cover?