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Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« on: February 04, 2020, 04:20:57 pm »
The 3700 mile 13’ BOSS that sold awhile back apparently the sale fell through so it is back! Not mine just posting if anyone is looking!


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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2020, 08:40:04 pm »
I looked at this, actually threw a bid number at it. The last winning bidder walked? Wondering if perhaps, once viewing the car, he decided it had problems. Others are commenting on the visual surface rust observed in the photo's. To me, it does not appear to be problematic, the carfax report is clean. I'd fly out to inspect the car if I win the bid before letting go of the money as I have with other out of state purchases. Do you, or others, have any opinion on what you see in any of the photo's? In my other post I commented on a 97k mile car, that one had its share of issues, hopey shared his thoughts on that, much appreciated.
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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2020, 03:54:50 am »
After looking at the undercarriage pics I personally would not buy from what I see now take in account I am pretty ANAL with my cars!!! I bought a 13’ Race Red off this site a few years back. Flew to Vermont and drove it back to Virginia it had less than 14,000 miles on it and the undercarriage was spotless! I now have a 14’ GT500 Super Snake it had under 4,000 miles again Spotless! This is a Great car just wouldn’t pay anywhere near Top dollar! Now my cars NEVER get driven in inclement weather!
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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2020, 12:35:46 pm »
I looked at this, actually threw a bid number at it. The last winning bidder walked? Wondering if perhaps, once viewing the car, he decided it had problems. Others are commenting on the visual surface rust observed in the photo's. To me, it does not appear to be problematic, the carfax report is clean. I'd fly out to inspect the car if I win the bid before letting go of the money as I have with other out of state purchases. Do you, or others, have any opinion on what you see in any of the photo's? In my other post I commented on a 97k mile car, that one had its share of issues, hopey shared his thoughts on that, much appreciated.

My 2013LS is no garage queen, and has right at 10,000 miles now. Ive driven in the rain and twice driven half way across country, but it looks nothing like that underneath. On my car, there were some areas that had surface rust when delivered from the dealership (eg the NVH blocks on the rear axle & drive shaft flanges) but whole areas of this car from BAT look rough. IMHO this car has been driven in water(worst case flood) or when there was salt on the roads. Last time this car was for sale, there were loads of questions about track damage. Who else has 3 sets of wheels??

There are plenty out there, everything from ‘The Parts Farm” guys who rebuilt a salvage LS recently thru to this 1300 mile California car on eBay. It doesn’t need to be perfect, but for me there are too many questions on this BAT car.

Low mileage Ca example.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Ford-Mustang-Boss-302/383406241683?hash=item5944caf793:g:RF8AAOSwW4JeOg7~



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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2020, 02:53:54 pm »
The Black LS on Ebay that hopey posted the link to is not going to sell on Ebay for $33K like the LS did on BAT earlier. The Ebay car is listed by Corvette Mike and he has it advertised on his website for $50K. Way too much IMHO.....If it was SBY, then maybe but even then still a little high.

My '13 LS started it's life in Iowa. Was never driven in the rain or snow. The underbody has not quite as much surface rust as the BAT LS but it still has some. Unless you have a sophisticated dehumidification system in your storage building starting at day one some rust is inevitable.

Until you can see this car in person it's hard to make a judgement but from what I've seen in the photos and all the extras that come with the car I think $33K plus the BAT 5% is a steal.

Just my $.02

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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2020, 06:54:31 pm »
Thanks guys, you are all very helpful and truly appreciate your opinions. I feel the people on this site can be trusted and find all very knowledgeable. I know my '70 inside out and what to look for with the early BOSS. I have limited knowledge with the later one's, only what I've read in Farr's book and on this site. I purchased the Carfax report for this Black '13,  reading the report there are no negitive issues. I figure if I win the bid, I'd have some built in protection based on the protection they offer. I am torn in what the rust represents, I do agree surface rust can rear it's head simply sitting around. I keep a fan blowing under my '70 during the winter months, it keeps the underbody dry and mice away. With such low miles it has to have been sitting around during the winter months, without some air movement surface rust will settle in. The video showing start-up, as well as the road going video seems to indicate normal operation.If I win the bid I'd fly out with money in hand, do a visual inspection, drive the car and make my final decision. I'm not going to go nuts on bidding, I have a number in mind. It is odd on why there are two extra sets of wheels, but they are all very clean, again a close visual inspection should reveal repairs. The sellar gives a reason, at least for one set it makes sense. I researched the selling dealer, not one place I searched turned up a bad write up. His email address turns up no negativity, sellar feedback is clean, maybe I've missed something? I've exchanged emails with him, for what it's worth, he comes accross as a good guy. NO high pressure know it all cockiness. I searched the cars VIN, nothing come up negative, I'd think if this car was problematic, there would be some info out there. I'm in no real hurry to buy, I am searching for a nice SBY LS, I've found a few but as said higher priced. I'm not opposed in spending more for that color, but not stratospheric dollars. I can get a nice newer GT350 ever a GT350R for what some thing they can get for their SBY LS! It's funny, everyone goes nuts for the elusive 69 / 70 Black Boss, realizing it is just that, yet the newer Black takes the back seat. I'll let this play out, if it does not happen so be it. If anyone has any more info on this one, or others, please let me know.
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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2020, 05:14:01 am »
gtabert,

Just a word of caution about buying this or any LS....

I've had 2 high end restored '70 B2's over the last few years. Loved both of them and enjoyed every minute spent tinkering, driving, and showing them off. I sold one and had an empty space on my lift so I decided to find and purchase a 900 mile SBY '13 LS in early 2019 to keep my B2 company. What happened after that was the LS driving experience was so powerfully intense and so much fun the '70 B2 just sat on the lift for months. It was sad but a rude reality. Each car has it's own unique characteristics but I found myself migrating toward the LS all the time. When I saw the B2 market starting to soften at the end of last summer, I decided it was time to let go. Now the hunt is on for a low mileage Ingot Silver '12 LS to fill that empty lift space.

In the end I have no regrets and many more miles of fun to come...

Just thought I'd share my experience.

Good luck

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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2020, 08:15:39 pm »
Thanks Marty, I love my '70. Just taking the cover off and looking at brings pleasure, the lines of that body are timeless. I enjoy the time spent tinkering, making it better. Not to the point of full restoration, it's a driver. Over restored would ruin the fun. The thrill of the hunt finding correct parts or rebuilding originals is what I like, driving it is enjoyable, it draws attention, people stop and ask questions. I do not take it to shows for the sake of sitting around to show it, that does nothing for me. I have so many different interests, my own business and a small hobby farm which I absolutly love spending time outdoors maintaining, family and grandkids. I simply have limited time to enjoy working on it, as much as love doing so. Its time to pass the baton and let another carry the torch, keeping it alive. I understand exactly what you are saying, I'm entertaing selling it for that very reason, I'll bring it here first when the time comes. For reasons you point out is why I'm looking for an LS, jump in and drive it, remove the tinkering part from the equation giving me more time to do the other things in life, HA, at least I'd like to think that's how it will pan out. As I get order the clock seems to spin faster, is it because I'm busy, or because as we age we see the end fast approaching?
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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2020, 04:28:52 am »
Greg, we are on the same page...

 Is feeling like this just an age thing? I know at 62 I just can't climb into those nooks and crannies of these cars anymore. Been doing it my entire life. It's a very hard thing to let go of something you have put your heart and soul into and have cherished for such a long time. As much as I hate to admit it, you won't regret your decision. I can't express enough how much fun the LS is... ;D

As far as time going faster as we get older.... I think we still have so much to do but keep thinking we're going to run out of time before we get to accomplish everything we want to. I hope not, but one never knows....

If I come across anything worthwhile I'll send your way.

Best of Luck on the BAT auction! Ending soon....Hope it works out the way you want.

Marty

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 07:10:36 pm »
I was able to buy this car. I threw one bid at it then sat back to see what would happen. I did not want to get wrapped up in a bidding war. I honestly figured it would have gone higher the second  time around, those having missed out the first time knew what it would take to get get it based on the last auction results. When I had seen the bidding died at $30k and the auction ended I contacted the seller, Ambassador Automobiles in Lebanon NJ. He has been great to work with, offering to help out with the shipping, or sale of the wheels and seats. I have no use for two sets of extra wheels (I'll keep one set with the tires, they have the original Pirelli Tires) or the seats, I've offered them up for sale here. The selling dealer has offered to help sell this stuff off, he has one guy interested in the wheels. I've not viewed it yet, I'm not too worried, the pictures tell the story, the seller filled me in on the details, the carfax was clean and I contacted the selling dealer, of which the car was last there on 12/18/19 for a maintenance inspection. I purchased a carfax report for the guarantee they offer, for whatever that may be worth, should something turn up. I will fly out to pick it up, drive down to DC to visit my son, then road trip it back home, should be a fun shakedown run. Will do that several weeks from now, the seller said he'll keep it in his inside storage until I plan the trip, no deadline on time limit to that point in time. It has been a 100% positive experience with the seller, no pressure whatsoever, very pleasant low key, no sales hype, quite a pleasant surprise. I found a couple other low mile cars prior to this one, both Black, in the upper $40k to $50k range. With all the original paperwork, cover still bagged, oil cooler, splitter still boxed, window sticker, service records, selling paperwork, I feel this was a win win based on what I've seen and researched. Time will tell if I'm wrong!
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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2020, 03:05:51 am »
Congratulations gtabert! Enjoy it they are a Blast to drive!!!


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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2020, 06:57:34 pm »
I think you stole that car! That would have made a great track toy at that price.

I think the underside has some rust, most probably from a trip with road salt. A newer car will not show that amount of rust from rain water. Just my .02

A quick wipe down with a oil soaked rag will do wonders. I really don't see a problem with that underside.

Yes, you will drive this more than your '70. Also at 62, jump in, turn the key, and go. I upgraded my shifter to the MGW and installed the tranny bracket as well. Great improvements.

Did I mention that you stole the car?

Interested in the extra wheels. I sent you a PM.
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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2020, 07:17:12 pm »
Congrats and welcome to the double BOSS club! You are gonna love the Laguna Seca! Amazing cars to drive, especially when you rev that engine to the red line. That being said, not much to tweek with it other than cleaning, polishing and waxing. IMHO there is still nothing like spending an evening setting valve lash, plugs and point gaps with the older lady :)

See a couple of my earlier posts for suggestions on damper settings, your gonna get wheel hop especially with those original Pirellis especially if it’s a little cold.

Saw a few videos recently on dry ice blasting, looks like it would clean up the underside without damaging the paint and finishes if you wanted to get it back to original.
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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2020, 07:49:14 am »
Hey Greg,

Hopey has the shock settings dialed in here http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=81430.msg538272#msg538272

I put the Blow Fish Racing shifter bracket on with the stock shifter and just that made a HUGE difference. Bossneeds has the same bracket. The issue is the shifter is mounted to the body so when the engine torques when going thru the gears is gets locked up between 2nd and 3rd which is really frustrating. This bracket mounts the shifter to the trans and is a really high quality product. It is so easy to install in less than 20 minutes. You'll be very please with this minor mod. Best price I found was thru LMR:  https://lmr.com/item/SSB-03-000/mustang-blowfish-racing-shifter-bracket-1114-SSB-03-000

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Re: Black 13’ Laguna Seca back on BAT
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2020, 05:46:22 pm »
Thanks Marty, much appreciated. It a whole new learning curve for me getting to know this car and all its nuisances. I started to read some of the old posts to learn. I'll order this shifter bracket and read the damper post. Any tips are greatly appreciated.

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